Best five wins from the best contenders

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chris Byrd
    1. Vitali Klitschko
    2. David Tua
    3. Evander Holyfield
    4. Jameel McCline
    5. Fres Oquendo
    Pretty straight forward. Maybe an argument for Cooper at the five but he was coming off a lay-off.

    Sam Langford whom I have no business voting for
    1. Harry Wills
    2. Joe Jeanette
    3. Sam Mcvea
    4. George Godfrey
    5. Stanley Ketchel
    My knowledge of pre 1930s is limited to what I’ve read in the comment section so forgive me for Sam
     
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  2. scartissue

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    Chris Byrd

    1) Vitali Klitschko
    2) David Tua
    3) Evander Holyfield
    4) Jameel McCline
    5) DaVarryl Williamson

    Looking at this as literal as I can, I found the Williamson bout to be more impressive for inclusion than Castillo or Oquendo because there was no calls of robbery and his wins at the time Byrd beat him were very impressive (McCall, Jefferson, Castillo) and had given a good account of himself against Wlad.

    Sam Langford

    1) Harry Wills
    2) Joe Jeanette
    3) Sam McVey
    4) Gunboat Smith
    5) Fireman Jim Flynn

    Again, with Langford I am being literal. I am counting heavyweights only, so no Ketchel or Jack O'Brien. I excluded the wins over George Godfrey because, although good wins on paper, Godfrey was just starting out.
     
  3. Jason Thomas

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    to make it easier for the OP, I will repeat my Byrd choices

    Chris Byrd
    1-----Vitali Klitschko
    2-----David Tua
    3-----Evander Holyfield
    4-----Jameel McCline
    5-----Eliecer Castillo

    Sam Langford
    1-----Harry Wills
    2-----Joe Jeannette
    3-----Sam McVea
    4-----Gunboat Smith
    5-----Kid Norfolk

    There all sorts of other names, especially at lighter weights. Hard to judge the color line era black fighters as they were largely restricted to fighting each other over and over. I would say that Langford's heavyweight resume is not overpowering.

    *I sometimes run into fighters who will not even make a contender thread like this, but have some interesting names on their resume. I will post them now and then just for interest.

    Bearcat Wright
    1-----Jack Johnson
    2-----Sam Langford
    3-----Fred Fulton
    4-----Tiger Jack Fox
    5-----Bill Tate

    Wright KO'd the first four names. Other than Tate, no one was near the top of his game. Johnson and Langford were very old. Fulton on a losing streak. Fox green. But still a very interesting list of scalps. For his career, Wright went 65-20-18 with 2 NC and 38 KO's. He was never rated and lost to Johnny Risko, Mickey Walker, and Primo Carnera, plus Max Baer in his last fight. However, it is very interesting that George Godfrey could not defeat Wright in three tries. An interesting trial horse type.
     
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  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually think Byrd's depth is pretty good.

    1. Vitali
    2. Tua
    3. Holyfield
    4. McCline (who himself had a lot of good wins - Briggs, Grant, Whitaker, Cole, Shufford, Boswell)
    5. Oquendo
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    6. Williamson
    7. Castillo
    8. Arthur Williams (cruiserweight world champion)

    Then you have a bunch of decent fringe contenders like Bert Cooper, Jimmy Thunder, Maurice Harris, Ross Puritty, Craig Petersen, Phil Jackson, Lionel Butler, another former cruiserweight champ Uriah Grant
     
  5. mattdonnellon

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    Sam;
    1-Jeannette
    2-McVea
    3-Wills
    4-Gunboat
    5-Clarke

    Norfolk, Flynn, Schreck. O'Brien, Ferguson,Ross, Jim Johnson, Godfrey, McMahon, Thompson, Tate...not an impressive resume? Give me a break.
     
  6. Jason Thomas

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    Continuing posts of heavyweights who were not on the original list and probably will not be covered.

    Paulino Uzcudun
    1-----Harry Wills
    2-----Max Baer
    3-----Tom Heeney
    4-----Pierre Charles
    5-----Don McCorkindale

    Uzcudun is a famous name and always gave a brave account of himself, but this list is not all that impressive compared to other contenders. The first two are great names, but Wills was 38 and at the end of the line. Baer was young and on a losing streak. The rest are interchangeable, with some depth as one could add Erminio Spalla, Jack Renault, Otto von Porat, Knute Hansen, etc. He also lost a close decision to Godfrey.

    Other than Wills and Baer, a decent list but well short of a number of his contemporaries. His place in boxing history rests on the Wills and Baer wins.
     
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    Well, for what it's worth it's better than what Chuvalo did and most people would tell you that Chuvalo was better than him.
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

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    And next up are two greats Vitali Klitschko and Joe Jeanette
    Was really disappointed w Vitali honestly after Corrie they’re really not very good wins
    1) Corrie Sanders
    2) Samuel Peters
    3) Herbie Hide
    4) Derek Chisora
    5) Shannon Briggs
    Could have went w Kirk Johnson for his annihilation or maybe a few others. Honestly last three could have been replaced w a few others.
    Joe Jeannette
    1) Jack Johnson
    2) Sam Langford
    3) Sam Mcvea
    4) Battling Jim Johnson
    5) Jeff Clarke
    May change my Johnson vote as it was a DQ win but that’s the biggest name...so was tough call.
     
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  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know what you mean, some tough calls here. It's difficult to navigate through DQ's, ND's and getting the opponent at the right time to call them best wins. So for what it's worth, here are mine:

    Vitali

    1) Corrie Sanders
    2) Sam Peter
    3) Herbie Hide
    4) Juan Carlos Gomez
    5) Kirk Johnson

    Joe Jeanette

    1) Sam Langford
    2) Sam McVey
    3) George Carpentier
    4) Battling Jim Johnson
    5) Black Bill
     
  10. Big Ukrainian

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    Vitali:

    1. Sanders
    2. Peter
    3. Hide
    4. Gomez
    5. Chisora

    Johnson was good fighter, but he was in awfuil shape against Vitali. Adamek was very good at lower weights but he was badly oversized against Vitali
     
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  11. Gazelle Punch

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    Will def get to guys like Paulino great recommendation. Another guy like Bob Satterfield would like to get to and maybe Chuvalo etc. looking forward to hearing ones I wouldn’t think of.
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i didn’t realize Chuvalo wasn’t on your list. He needs to be. As well as Ernie Schaaf.
     
  13. Gazelle Punch

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    Thought Chuvalo was a little less successful in his time but that’s just what this post is about. Plan was to get to 50-60 guys up there. Left plenty of room for guys like Chuvalo. And other reasonable suggestions
     
  14. Jason Thomas

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    Vitali Klitschko

    1----Corrie Sanders
    2----Sam Peter
    3----Tomas Adamak
    4----Juan Carlos Gomez
    5----Herbie Hide

    Echo others that this is really blah for a guy who was at the top of the division for so long.

    Joe Jeannette

    1----Sam Langford
    2----Sam McVea
    3----Jeff Clarke
    4----George Carpentier
    5----Sandy Ferguson

    *Jack Johnson--I am not going to count a fluky DQ victory. It is only okay for me if the loser fouls out to avoid a KO or bad loss, such as Wills against Sharkey. Otherwise, I am not going to credit what seems pure luck.
    Battling Johnson--surprised to see him on so many lists. Was he really very good? The win over Wills seems to have been a fluke. Anyone have a different view?

    Overall, a pretty good resume, with quite a lot of depth, but a bit circular between Langford, McVea, and Jeannette, with all at or near the top of each others resumes.
     
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    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don’t feel right voting on the pre 1930s guys as I know little about them mostly due to lack of footage. Been trying to go by boxrec and some i know of. May keep myself out of voting for those guys. As far as the DQ goes a win is a win lol. But I was def torn on it