Best five wins thread. Lineal / Ring Magazine heavyweight champions.

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  1. Mendoza

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    Coming in first place with a perfect score is Corbett. After that, the voting was close for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. Sharkey, Ruhlin, Maher. Obrien came in 5th.

    Fitzsimmons best five wins:

    Corbett
    Sharkey
    Ruhlin
    Maher
    O'Brien
     
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    On to Jeffries, a fighter who took being the active championship seriously meeting all comers. From 1899-1900, Jeffries cleaned out Fitzsimmons, Sharkey and Corbett in a 1 year span, which is amazing work for a new champion. Rematches were given. Picking out his best five won't be easy.

    1. Fitzsimmons 1
    2. Corbett 1
    3 ) Sharkey 2
    4 ) Ruhlin
    5 ) A tough call between Jackson, Griffin, or Everett. I'll go with Griffin, who was a good veteran, Jeffries beat him very green.
     
  3. dmt

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    Jefferies

    1. Corbett 1
    2. Fitzimmons
    3. Sharkey 2
    4, Ruhlin
    5. Jackson

    Corbett 1 due to the fact that Jefferies had to come back after being outfoxed for so many rounds.

    Fitzimmons is a close second

    #5 was hard, I picked Jackson due to his great reputation even though he was past his prime.
     
  4. janitor

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    1. Fitzsimmons 1 (an inexperienced fighter dominating a much more experienced champion)
    2. Fitzsimmons 2 (say what you like, Fitzsimmons would have beaten any other heavyweight in the world that day)
    3. Sharkey 2 (beating one of the best fighters in the world with an arm injury)
    4. Corbett 1 (a come from behind win)
    5. Ruhlin 2 (a dominant win over the second best contender in the world)
     
  5. janitor

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    Perhaps you should include both Fitzsimmons fights?
     
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    that's a good point, I didn't think about that. I assumed we were picking one win per fighter.
     
  7. mattdonnellon

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    Forgt Jackson, he's close to Jeff's worst win, the two Fitz, Corbett 1, Ruhlin 2, Sharkey 2
     
  8. janitor

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    If it is close to his worst win, then that tells you a lot about Jeffries.

    I can't think of any other great heavyweight, where it would be close to their worst win!
     
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    You can only list one name.
     
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    I think that his wins over Griffin and Armstrong could be mentioned as well here. If you want to pick a win over past great, I'd pick Goddard over Jackson as Goddard was closer to his prime than Peter.
     
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    Welcome Matt,

    Jackson had no lost a fight in 14 years. According to the press he was in shape and regained his form. He did well in round one. Then in round two he took a hook to the jaw and that was pretty much it. While Jackson was far from his prime, Jeffries to that point was green and the ending was swift.
     
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    Sharkey 1 and Armstrong are good wins, never felt fully comfortable with the Griffin fight. Jackson hadn't really had a fight for 6 years and was a dissipated alcoholic.
     
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    Well Griffin was in his prime then. Past his prime he bettered Jack Johnson in the 1900-1901 3 fight series ( two draws and 1 win over Johnson ), so Griffin must have been formidable in his prime.

    In Jack Johnson's 1927 autobiography, Johnson stated that:

    "In summing up my fights, throughout my career, there were none, even in the championship bouts, which were harder than those with Griffin, and I believe that the greatest punishment I ever received in the ring was at the hands of Griffin " Wow, that is high praise from Johnson. If this is news to anyone, Hank Griffin stock should go up. Griffin's prime was the 1890's when Jeffries beat him with just a handfull of fights under his belt, which is why I list him 5th.

    Jeffries did fight Griffin again, and floored him a few times in a 4 round match as the lineal champion.

    Griffin has a pretty good known record at Box Rec, though I suspect he's missing at least 15 fights.

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    Who would be your top 5?
     
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  14. janitor

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    Obviously there were no rankings in Jeffries era, but we can still speculate.

    Bob Fitzsimmons was the champion the first time they fought, so that is straightforward enough.

    I think it is likely that Tom Sharkey would have been the #1 contender for their second fight, given his recent run of form.

    Sharkey is probably Jeffries best pre title win, given that he scored some impressive wins after that fight.

    Bob Fitzsimmons would almost certainly have been the #1 contender going into their second fight, following his back to back wins over Ruhlin and Sharkey.

    I think that Gus Ruhlin would probably have been the #1 contender when he lost to Fitzsimmons, but that given his recent run of form, he would probably only have slipped down to #2 or #3 going into the second Jeffries fight.

    Corbett might not have been ranked at all when he fought Jeffries the first time, owing to his recent inactivity, but his performance in that fight surely proves that he was still one of the five best heavyweights in the world.

    The McCoy fight would probably have gained Corbett a high ranking, but he would have slipped down the rungs in the run up to the Jeffries rematch, as other fighters gained significant wins.

    Jack Munro probably would have gained some sort of ranking, owing to his careful management, and recent run of form.
     
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    What about Mexican Pete Everet?

    That looks pretty solid for a pre title win!