Best fouler of all time

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  1. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, Sam attacked Valdez from behind after a round ended, swinging a forearm at the back of Juan's neck, in response to something Valdez had said. Serrano scored a flash KD early. Through the first half of the match especially, the referee had to keep them from continuing after each other when the rounds were over. A lot of heat between them, for some reason. (It looked to me as though Valdez wasn't willing to put up with any of Sammy's usual $h!t.) Too bad Sammy didn't move up to try Duran. (Wouldn't that have been a filthy exchange?)
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It did.

    I stand corected.
     
  3. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's okay. Just be sure to set me straight the next 50 times I screw up! (It'll take me at least that many errors before I find you making another, considering the rate I'm going at!)
     
  4. Bill1234

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  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    BHop. Best of the last 30 years.
     
  6. jyuza

    jyuza Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins ? Can't see why.
     
  7. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, guess what? In my very next post, I made a much worse mistake. I referred to Duran recovering his reputation from the damage he did to himself in Montreal! So you see, now I've been infected with the same virus. (Is the the beginning of something contagious?)
     
  8. Holmes' Jab

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    Holmes was supposed to be quite handy with the thumb....Or so I've heard.
     
  11. barneyrub

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    wlad klitschko and his clamping onto the opponent as seen in the Peter fight where 10 minutes of the fight was taken up by Wlad hugging him.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    I still like Spinks, hell barely anyone even knows he was dirty.
     
  13. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh, come on. Zivic wrote articles in his later years for magazines such as the Police Gazette and True Magazine bragging about how good he was at fouling, with such nuggets as how to use low blows to throw an opponent off his game, how not only to open eye cuts with butts but how to get away with it by following with quick flurries to cover the butt damage with punches, to always know exactly where the referee is to make certain his view is obscured by your opponent's body when butting, how Zivic used the laces to widen a cut once he'd opened one with a butt, etc. Zivic knew the rules down to the last crossed t and dotted i, which he used to his advantage. He was proud of a sneak punching an opponent who offered to touch gloves after a slip. Zivic pointed out that the rules stipulated touching gloves only at the bell for the last round. As he put it, why give a sucker an even break.

    If Zivic has a bad rap, he certainly has no one but himself to blame. His image as a foul fighter was an image he sought and cultivated.
     
  14. janitor

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    All that shows is that he was more methodical about it than anybody else.

    Zivic had to defend himself against other fighters of the period who used ilegal tactics and he was just a bit better at it than them.
     
  15. round15

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    Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Andrew Golota, George Foreman and John Ruiz.

    Holyfield developed a reputation for headbutting during his cruiserweight years. Qawi and DeLeon were victims of the Holyheadbutt before Tyson, Foreman and Riddick Bowe.

    Lennox Lewis is notorious for leaning on his opponent's back with his entire body and left hand, while throwing illegal uppercuts underneath. The job he did on Michael Grant should have gotten him a point deduction, and he did the same thing vs Holyfield and Tyson. Lewis is also a dirty fighter for using his dreadlocks as a weapon in the clinches, trying his best to open up and make his opponents cuts' larger.

    Andrew Golota is self-explanatory. I think his is more a case of concentration and frustration. Besides the low blows to Riddick Bowe in both of their fights, I saw Golota try to take a chunk of shoulder out of an opponent with his teeth.

    George Foreman was a master at pushing and shoving off opponents which is an illegal tactic. A fighter can't push his opponent off within a clinch. Unless the referee allows both fighters to punch out of the clinch, shoving an opponent is illegal and George got away with it many times in his career because of his strength.

    John Ruiz is the poorest excuse for a heavyweight fighter that I've ever seen. This guy hits well after the bell, throws low blows, elbows and he headbutts as well. The worse thing about Ruiz IMO is that he always seems to be looking for the ref to defend him and give him a cheap victory, hoping for a disqualification of the opponent. I've seen Ruiz throw low blows on the ref's blind side only to see his opponent retaliate with the same body shot. The result, the opponent gets a point taken away and Ruiz gets by this cheezy tactic. Only Ruiz puts on his best academy award performance and acts like he's been fouled. He's definitely a better actor than boxer, as far as I'm concerned.

    Others worthy of mention, Ali for holding and hitting behind the head. Sonny Liston for the repeated use of illegal substances and eye complaints from opponents.