Best Heavyweight ATG that Roy Jones Jr beats or has a high chance of beating?

Whose quicks is he gonna use? Roy would be in a different zip code by the time that thing got to its target.

 

As at the time, the extrapolations of Jones’ future successes at HW were quite heady based merely on his victory over Ruiz. Repeat, John Ruiz. Lol.

Not sure if the loss to Tarver brought everyone back down to earth though - some felt that Jones’ bulk up to HW and subsequent size reduction back to LH forever damaged him -

Personally, I don’t subscribe to that but that reasoning is probably why some people pivot on the Ruiz victory (= “undamaged” Jones) and still have Jones beating this, that and the other former ATG HWs.

 

My point was if you go back to the first post I made I laid out the circumstances when Roy's size is an advantage.

Rather than taking me up on any point made therein this fella decided to attack me on the grounds I put one name over another name.

It's like bro, you missed the point entirely, reread that post because I think you take more issue than Roy over Sonny. I'm pretty sure the entire stance that 175 was ever a size advantage is just a tad more controversial than Roy over Sonny.

It's not so much a hangup, I can drop it if homie wants to talk about something else, but a clarification.

Rude because he was. My original post was not directed at or quoting anyone. I was just speaking to the subject while trying to raise a perspective not already spoken to and totally true.

To that end, the gist is smaller has better stamina than larger. So in rulesets where time is lengthened by round or overall fight smaller becomes more beneficial than in today's ruleset.




RJJ in an ATG. I tailor made the rules in which I see RJJ doing his best. This should be doable for anyone. The only boxers I know of who lived during a time when rules, race, religion, and politics were all in their natural born favor is Harry Greb. No dis to Harry, he had to be excellent in his own right. Just saying a man like Roy, right atmosphere, could take just about anyone


If I have beef, it's taking that idea and condensing it down to names and results.

 

RJJ is an ATG but IMO he is put on way too high a pedestal by some fans … I will say it that way rather than use the word “overrated” which is a tough word to use about an ATG. I don’t think he is the P4P ATG. I also disagree that in another era he’d been a natural heavyweight.

I understand you tried to create a scenario where he could excel in the matchups you proposed. I think the small is more durable argument would not be relevant in the real world in any scenario or number of rounds because I don’t believe RJJ possesses the skill set to avoid being tagged by Liston or Foreman and get to the late rounds, and if he gets tagged he’s done.

This place lends itself to over complicated scenarios and analyses and I play along, for amusement a lot of times, but sometimes the bottom line results are the bottom line.

And disagreement is not inherently rude. It’s just disagreement. It would be a boring world if we all agreed on things.

 

Peak Royds has a chance against Joe Louis

 

Every single one of those except for Corbett would knock Glass Jaw Roy spark out. It only takes one punch on that Fragile China Chin and all of them would land at least one.

 

Sure buddy, nothing Roy could ever do to Sonny or George. Roy can't run them tired. It wasn't a usual tactic for the era of small HWs. Sonny Liston and George Foreman are faster than 175 Roy Jones Junior and capable of keeping up that pace for as long as it takes... I mean ... get real.


You can pretend it can be condensed to names and results all you like, and you can pretend the tone of this conversation is because I am mouthy all you like. The posts are sitting there like the turd they are bud. You were a dick, you could own it. You're not going to gain respect by acting like you are innocent. It's crystal clear you're saving face and going the wrong direction to do it.



That's why there are outliers in the lineage right? Not EVERYONE are sub 240 champions before time rules were changed. Oh? No? They are all?

So then that means Sonny and George are just special human with special abilities huh?

Get real.

 

Another for the ignore list. I don’t take this mess seriously enough to put up with personal comments. Life is too short.

 

Terrance? Yeah

 

Haters gon' hate. You musta forgot

 

Wise decision mate

 

Wow, just wow!

You can usually tell a lot about a great fighter, by how they are matched.

If the match making is cautious, then there is a reason.

 

Give me a name you like and I'll do the same exercise.


Clearly the names used are an obstacle for you lot. Give me names you prefer. I'll do the same thing and then maybe if you have criticism you can angle it properly. That is to say this means nothing to me. Yup, controlled careers do mean something. Wonder if there are parameters when the man shines then? Oh ..... seems like that's the entire point I made doesn't it?