Best heavyweight by year.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Best heavyweight by year.

    For a twist I'm going to list the best heavyweight by year as the champion is not always that guy, he just happens to have the title and possibly keeps it by not fighting his #1 or #2 contender often in times of older age or during the rise of a better fighter who had to wait.

    The question I'm asking myself is in this given year, who was likely the best? This could be a little controversial, but I think it will make for a good debate.

    I'll do it in 20-year intervals. Up first 1880-1900


    1880 Paddy Ryan*
    1881 John Sullivan
    1882 John Sullivan
    1883 John Sullivan
    1884 John Sullivan
    1885 John Sullivan
    1886 Peter Jackson*
    1887 Peter Jackson
    1888 Peter Jackson
    1889 Peter Jackson
    1890 Peter Jackson

    1891 Peter Jackson
    1892 Jim Corbett
    1893 Jim Corbett
    1894 Jim Corbett
    1895 Jim Corbett
    1896 Bob Fitzsimmons
    1897 Bob Fitzsimmons
    1898 James Jeffries
    1899 James Jeffries

    I had trouble with 1880 as Sullivan was just starting out, as someone else, in theory, was better that year. Perhaps Ryan. 1885 is tough to judge as Sullivan was on the decline. In 1895 was Fitz ready to take Corbett?

    The one name that jumps out is Peter Jackson, who, for a while, was probably the best heavyweight in the world, and I think would have beaten Sullivan as early as 1886.

    After the debate slows down, I'll list the more difficult 1900-1919!
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can I piggy back this thread and do the same for light heavies or are you planning on doing that too? This is a great idea if I may say so.
     
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  3. Ken Ashcroft

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    Why would you want to do that, Mark? Were you around then back in the 1880s?:xmas2:
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol, no I wanted to do it based on later years maybe from when I watched the first light heavy fight I ever saw in1987, who was the best light heavy that year anyway?
     
  5. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Since you’re British, I assume that first light Hwt fight was Dennis Andries vs Thomas Hearns?
     
  6. choklab

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    I think this is a good idea especially when we get to the split title era. There are a lot of championship fights that were recognised by governing bodies that just did not represent a fight between the #1 and #2 in the world.

    I think there is good grounds to only recognise a fight between the best two heavyweights in the world as a title fight.

    Everything else is either the best guy in a non title fight or two clowns taking part in something a governing body recognised.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    Sure, but one weight class at a time. Let this thread play out first, okay? I think this a very interesting way to look at things. I'm not saying I'm right either, some of these dates are hard to call. For example 1880. I am open to changing my mind.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Well, there was no light heavyweight division back in 1880's, we have to fast forward to the early 1900's for that. But I say so what. There were some guys under 175 pounds that would qualify as the best at that weight limit before the division was officially recognized.

    I'm waiting for fans of the 1880's like Janitor to ring in.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    I don't think Peter Jackson had done enough in 1886 to deserve to be listed as the best.

    As for 1880, not sure, maybe Paddy Ryan.

    Joe Goddard possibly deserves in too, not sure where exactly.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Checking in the dates. Goddard did not start boxing until 1889 according to box rec.

    1886 is tough to pin down as Sullivan on on the steep decline.

    On 1880 Paddy Ryan did beat Joe Goss in 87 rounds for the American Heavyweight title, so he might the best for that year. Sullivan was active since 1879. Not enough on his resume at that point. I'm editing 1880 and listing Paddy Ryan for now. Good call
     
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  13. Fergy

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    Good call Ken, it probably was Andries and Tommy. A good scrap that. At least Hearns took on a proper light heavy and not a watered down Donny Lalonde!
     
  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Ill do a quick start on the 1900s of you don't mind.

    1900 - Bob Fitzsimmons*
    1901 - James J Jefferies
    1902 - James J Jefferies
    1903 - James J Jefferies
    1904 - Jack Johnson
    1905 - Marvin Hart
    1906 - Jack Johnson
    1907 - Jack Johnson
    1908 - Jack Johnson
    1909 - Jack Johnson

    1* I know that Jefferies defended his title twice in 1900 but he didn't beat as good a competition as Fitzsimmons imo.
     


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