Best Heavyweight P4P

Lol not even close. Holy isn’t even top ten.

 

Which 10 HWs would you put above him?

 

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Foreman
Liston
Marciano
Holmes
Tyson
Frazier
Wlad
Jack Johnson
Langford
Bowe
I have above Holy. He fits right into the Dempsey, Patterson, Walcott, Charles range.

 

I'm a little confused by this. Reading through this, the rules of the thread was fighters to be scaled to 220lbs. So why would Ali be scaled down?

60s Ali fought below that weight.
70s Ali didn't fight far over it.

One thing I thought was interesting when I tracked the weights and heights of the heavyweights, was 1970s Ali was near perfect center of the graph. I didn't plan that, it just happened.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-changing-landscape-top-10-heavyweights-by-decade.664919/

 

It's P4P. People always go on about Marciano being 185 lb and tiny. So let's give him his due ... P4P he's ahead of them all. Maybe Langford, I guess, you could argue for him. But all these 220lb guys don't feature. If Marciano was 220lb with his same attributes they'd have locked him up for murder.

 

Bowe over Holyfield at HW? Based on what? He won the series but so did Norton against Ali (with fair judges). Holy's resume crashes Bowe's at HW.

 

I don’t think so. And prime for prime Bowe won. Norton also didn’t win. Close doesn’t count. Bowe was the better he deserves the credit. Holyfield was amazing to watch extremely fun but he was flawed. And to be fair I have Bowe and Holy pretty close.

 

Holy has 2 wins over Tyson, along with wins over Foreman, Holmes, Moorer, Douglas, Thomas and Dokes along with close draw vs Lewis. Is winning the series 2-1 enough to overcome the massive difference in resumes?

 

He also has losses to Moorer Bowe and was lucky to get Lewis draw when most thought he didn’t deserve it. He was also lucky to get Holmes and foreman over 40. Tyson wins were great. I think Holy was awesome just not top ten.

 

Most also thought Lewis didn't deserve the first win, so it's canceled out. Bowe didn't beat anyone as good as 40 years old Holmes and Foreman outside of Holyfield himself by the way.

 

Not P4P.

 

I don’t disagree with that necessarily

 

Fair point. Who do you rate ?

 

The guys that were already "small" and won't be affected by the changes. Guys like Tyson, Holyfield, Frazier.

 

Nobody said P4P