Best heavyweight record any fighter could have plausibly amassed with great luck?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club Full Member

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    Out of all the heavyweights who ever lived, which one could have achieved the most impressive record if ALL the breaks had gone his way? Winning every close/debatable fight, promoters on board for every fight he wants to make, opponents have above-average (but not supernaturally jinxed) odds of getting a cold or a training injury before the fight, and greater odds of fluke injuries during said fights, dangerous fighters show up less than prepared, no "exiles" due to legal problems, and so on.

    With a perfect storm type situation, who would have collected the most impressive record?
     
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    A Lennox Lewis who didn't delay his career because he wanted to win a gold medal, who was trained by Emmanuel Steward from early on. He'd have steamrolled the entire division from young until his late 30s.

    Note: very important he has Steward for a while before fighting a young Tyson.
     
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    So let's start with the obvious: the fighter ought to already be quite good. We are talking a very small number of fighters whose talents would allow them -- even with great luck and perfect timing -- to assemble this kind of record.

    The fighter would also have to be consistent. You need longevity to pull off racking up win after win for long enough to qualify.

    My first instinct is that it would have to be someone like Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes...that kind of level fighter.
     
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    If he had beaten Tyrell Biggs in the '84 Olympics and went on to win a Gold Medal he would have turned pro in '85. By the time 1993 came around he would have faced at some point Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Mercer. He's not running a clean sweep on them especially the Pre-Steward version.
     
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    He might catch the Tokyo version of Tyson, although I'm still not sure if Lennox could beat that guy. It took Douglas getting his own infusion of phenomenal luck to pull that one off.
     
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    this is why in my hypo he needs Steward from an early age. but give him that, and give him the luck this thread hypothesizes, and I think he cleans out the division, retires undefeated in his late 30s.
     
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    I think Tyson would need to be at his very best to beat Lewis. Anything but that looks something like what actually happened when they fought.
     
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    In that case, as long as Lewis catches Tokyo Tyson (which, given his luck in this thread, he would), that's one of the Big 3. Catch Evander in 94 in place of Moorer, and beat him while he's having a heart attack. Then destroy Bowe post Golota II, when it's not yet clear how much he declined.
     
  9. Rakesh

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    While not "MOST IMPRESSIVE RECORD OF ALL TIME!"

    Ken Norton.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    Ken Norton is best positioned. Give him the chin to withstand Foreman, and the nods against Holmes & the Great One thrice over, and have both he and friend & Futch teammate Frazier get over their reluctance to fight each other ... add Joe's name to George's, Larry's and Muhammad's, going 6-0 against those four - yeah, that's as great as it could possibly get in the history of the HW division, methinks.
     
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    cross_trainer Bergeron Avatar Club Full Member

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    An interesting scenario.

    Without modifying a fighter himself (unless there is some plausible way Ken could improve his chin) who would you go for?
     
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    Another easy contender. Larry Holmes. Wins both Spinx fights, retires undefeated with 50-0. Depending on how far we want to go with the luck, draws Tokyo Tyson, wins a decision against him. Knows to quit while ahead, retires 51-0 after beating Marciano's record and dethroning Iron Mike.
     
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    Ali.

    No exile. Is faster with footwork and reaction time. Trained 100% every fight.

    Most of his loses he claimed he just didn't take them and training seriously (also because the Frazier, Norton, and somewhat Spinks loses were great opposition obviously :lol:)
     
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    You could also hook up Holmes with Shilstone during his later prime. That S&C edge would give him an unfair advantage for a couple years until the other heavyweights caught up with the new methods, which might extend his prime a bit.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

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    Or, well - even without modifying his chin, let's say a more realistic approach would be give him a strategy to avoid getting creamed by George over 15 and pot shot to a decision, even if a boring and unsatisfying one. That along with Frazier and Holmes and getting a clean 3-0 sweep versus Ali with maximal benefit of doubt from the judges, and his is the probably forever untouchable GOAT record.

    Otherwise...you'd have to say Dempsey, if he didn't "forget to duck" in Tunney I and the count wasn't "long" in the rematch ...he'd need to be considered up there.
     
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