Best Heavyweight Resume Ever ?

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  1. FlyingFrenchman

    FlyingFrenchman Active Member Full Member

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    In regards to Michael Moorer. He was ripping new assholes at LHW but he really only fought a few decent LHWs to be honest (a past prime Leslie Stewart KO8 and Frankie Swindell KO6 and again at HW, KO3). He stopped Freddie Delgado in the 1st round. Delgado dropped a past prime Hearns and lost to him by decision, he was stopped in 2 by Charles Williams and in 5 by James Toney. He went 22-0 (22) overall and 10-0 (10) in WBO LHW world title fights before moving up to HW.

    Sure, he wanted Virgil Hill and Charles Williams but at that point Moorer was too much risk for little reward. At HW Moorer still had decent power but as the level of opposition improved, his KO% decreased.

    At HW he won his first 13 fights, 8 by KO.

    He beat Levi Billups KO3, Billups had beat Mike Hunter and Mike White, he beat Bonecrusher Smith in his next fight, then lost a 10 round decision to Lennox Lewis in the fight after that.

    He stopped Alex Stewart in the 4th round, Stewart had been stopped by Holyfield in the 8th and by Tyson in the 1st. He went on to lose a close decision to Foreman and a clear decision to Holyfield in their rematch. He did rock Moorer.

    He went the distance for the first time vs. Mike "The Giant" White. moorer knocked White around the ring and almost had him out late in the 10th round but the 6'10" 275 Lb. White made it. It was Moorer's 27th fight.

    In his next fight he was dropped by Everett Martin but won a clear decision. Martin was also the only fighter who lasted the distance vs. Foreman thru the first 24 fights of his comeback.

    In his next fight he went to war with Bert Cooper. Cooper dropped Moorer twice but Moorer stopped him in the 5th round. Moorer picked up the WBO HW world title belt for his efforts.

    He beat the 246 Lb. Bonecrusher Smith by clear decision.

    He beat Holyfield by close decision but was dropped in the 2nd round. Neither man looked great in my opinion. Moorer won the WBA and IBF HW world title belts and was the Lineal HW Champ.

    He was stopped in the 10th round of his first defense by Foreman.

    Moorer won his next 4 fights, 1 by KO. He regained the IBF HW belt and beat Axel Schulz by decision for the vacant title. He also stopped Frans Botha in the 11th round, he beat Vaughn Bean by majority decision.

    He lost the title to Holyfield in their rematch. He was dropped 5 times and was stopped after the 8th round, but he had given Holyfield problems despite the knockdowns. He was now 15-2 (11) in World Title fights at LHW and HW, 5-2 (1) of that coming at HW.

    Good numbers but how many top HWs did he beat?
     
  2. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a big Holy fan but i gave the edge to Valuev, I think the jabs were landing on my TV screen.
     
  3. Doc Dynamo

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    Shouldn't there be a truth in labeling policy on this board?

    The title of thread is who had the best HW resume, but instead of really answering that question, we have to answer another totally BS question who beat the most "live opponents" (whatever live means).

    The problem is counting live opponents isn't a good way of evaluating a HW resume. Beating Frazier and Foreman, two ATGs, has to count 5-10 times as much as beating David Tua or old, crappy Tyson and 100 times as much as beating Ocassio.

    This thread should be titled I love Lennox Lewis.
     
  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Frazier is overrated. Lewis would have wiped him out easily.
     
  5. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's on youtube if you don't have it on HDD or VHS at hand. Moorer had slightly the better of the round, but didn't land anything damaging, a lot of his punches landed on Holyfield's arms or barely grazed the head. Then he gets knocked down cleanly. Should have been a 10-8 round for Holyfield really.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I thought Moorer got the better of Holyfield.
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not about how everyone scored it, it's about a glaring mistake on the scorecard of one of official judges.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, but I always ask myself at the end of the fight, "did the judges get the best man?" and they did. So I'm happy he made a glaring mistake, personally.
     
  9. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wins, losses or washed up fighters, Holyfield has the most insane resume in all of heavyweight history.

    Pinklon Thomas
    Qawi - twice
    Dokes
    Douglas
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Bowe - three times
    Mercer
    Moorer - twice
    Tyson - twice
    Lewis - twice
    Byrd
    Toney
    Ibragimov
    Valuev
    Ruiz - three times

    And he should have had a belt after fighting Valuev and who knows if he would have ended up fighting Wladimir also.
     
  10. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    Doc dynamo..if you dont like the thread then dont join in on it.Go make up your own.
    Kratos. You make a good point.
     
  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I still think Ali's resume is better.

    Ali fought nearly 30 "live" opponents. He fought eight of those "live" opponents at least twice (some three times). To date, eight of those opponents -- Moore, Liston, Patterson, Frazier, Foster, Foreman, Norton and Holmes -- are Hall of Famers. In comparison, I think Evander fought five Hall of Famers.

    Billy Daniels (16-0)
    Doug Jones (21-3-1)
    Archie Moore (184-22-10) (World Light Heavyweight champion)
    Sonny Liston (35-1) (World Heavyweight champion) fought twice
    Floyd Patterson (43-4) (Two-time World Heavyweight champion) fought twice
    Henry Cooper (33-11-1) fought twice
    Karl Mildenberger (49-2-3)
    Cleveland Williams (65-5)
    Ernie Terrell (39-4) (WBA heavyweight champion)
    Zora Folley (74-7-4)
    Jerry Quarry (37-4-4) fought twice
    Oscar Bonavena (46-6-1)
    Joe Frazier (26-0) (World Heavyweight champion) fought three times
    Jimmy Ellis (30-6) (WBA heavyweight champion)
    Buster Mathis (29-2)
    Mac Foster (28-1)
    George Chuvalo (66-17-2) fought twice
    Bob Foster (49-5) (World Light Heavyweight champion)
    Joe Bugner (43-4) fought twice
    Ken Norton (30-1) (WBC Heavyweight champion) fought three times
    George Foreman (40-0) (Two-time World Heavyweight champion)
    Ron Lyle (30-2-1)
    Jimmy Young (17-4-2)
    Earnie Shavers (54-5-1)
    Leon Spinks (7-0-1) (World Heavyweight champion) fought twice
    Larry Holmes (35-0) World Heavyweight champion)
    Trevor Berbick (19-2-1) (WBC Heavyweight champion)
     
  12. heavy_handss

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    ali without a doubt, he did beat a peak foreman by ko, he schooled a great version of liston, (i don´t buy this stupid history of liston being past his prime, he was destroying guys at that time), he did beat a good version of frazier, he did beat floyd patterson,archie moore, oscar bonavena, jerry quarry, earnie shavers,ron lyle,henrry cooper,george chuvalo, he did clean the division in few words...he was the best among the best.
    lewis did beat horrible versions of tyson and holyfield, he got knocked out by 2 average guys even if he won the rematches it hurts his legacy badly. he did a good job vs a prime vitali klitschko but i think that he would have lost by decision if was not for this cut, but also lewis was in his end and vitali was in his peak, so i have to give him merit for that. foreman have to be up for sure... what he did in his 40s was amazing, no ****ing body is doing what he did at that age against top young guys
     
  13. pablod

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    absolutely right, ali beating a prime foreman who shell shocked the whole division to the extent he was being labelled invincible cant be worth the same consideration as lewis beating a shop worn 37 year old holyfield.
    beating the unbeatable wrecking machine sonny liston at 22 years old cant be compared to lewis beating middle of the road heavyweight hasim rahaman or an imposter wearing mike tysons boots.
    Lennox lewis never faced a dreadnought his whole career, he has some good wins but most of the people he fought were average in terms of the world scene or were long past their best.
    I love the mercer fight very entertaining , a real life and death-er, but id class mercer on more of a George chuvalo type level although he had a better record, an ancient larry holmes had no such trouble with him
     
  14. ShadowA1P

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  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If your answer is anything other then Ali you’d be wrong…like way wrong.
    Liston x2
    Foreman
    Norton x2
    Frazier x2
    Ellis
    Quarry x2
    Bonavena
    Folley
    Mildenberger
    Williams
    Terrell
    Young
    Lyle
    Shavers
    Cooper
    Moore
    Foster

    just ridiculous
     
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