Best Heavyweight Resume Ever ?

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  1. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Possibly, nobody knows what would have happened but I thought he should of gotten the chance to come back in that fight. The stoppage I thought was premature and unjust.
     
  2. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    -Ossie Ocassio(Former WBA World Cruiserweight champ)
    -Gary Mason (35-0, British HW Champion)
    -Glenn McCrory (Former IBF CW Champion)
    -Tyrell Biggs (Super Heavweight Olympic Gold Medalist)
    -Donovan Ruddock
    -Tony Tucker (49-1)
    -Frank Bruno (Former WBC HW Champion)
    -Tommy Morrison (45-2, Former WBO HW Champion)
    -Ray Mercer
    -Oliver McCall
    -Henry Akinwande (32-0)
    -Andrew Golota
    -Shannon Briggs
    -Zeljko Mavrovic (27-0)
    -Evander Holyfield (3 Time HW Champion)
    -Michael Grant (31-0)
    -Francois Botha (40-2)
    -David Tua (37-1, 12 Straight Wins)
    -Hasim Rahman
    -Mike Tyson (49-3, Undisputed and 2 Time HW Champion)
    -Vitali Klitschko (3 time HW Champion)

    Do you consider those guys "live bodies"
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This.
     
  4. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How does Tyson rate "quite high"?
     
  5. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I think Tyson stands the best chance against anyone who ever lived. Ali is up there as well as Joe Louis, Holmes and Liston. Maybe next is Bowe and Lewis.

    Edit: Oops. I just reread the title.

    Ali for me, no doubt.
     
  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Fact corrections: the weight of Frazier was rounded down incorectly to 200 lbs.
    And saying he was fat is absurd. He was a bit fat fighting at the end of his career against Foreman when in the 220's. Never at 205 or so.

    I was going to object on Cooper, but apparently he claimed to have had led in his boots during teh weigh in & his training took him down near 180.

    Wepner briefly kocked Ali down not due to hurting him but stepped on his foot when punching. Easy to see on tape. This could floor anyone, Ali was pissed, came back & stopped Wepner.
     
  7. timmers612

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    Lewis two stoppage losses take him out of the running against Ali who late in his career took heavier right hands from Shavers, kept on his feet, and won the fight. Even out of shape Ali would never have been stopped by McCall or Rahman. Dundee made it clear he did not, as is they myth, make a tare in Ali's glove. Between the rounds he noticed it and opened it a little so the ref could see it buying Ali a few more seconds before the next round. Wins against all time greats Frazier and Foreman, champions Norton, Patterson, and Liston, and the difference in their chins sets Lewis resume clearly below that of Ali's.
     
  8. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis.

    He took the toughest path possible. He was the guy taking on the don king fighters and usually coming out with the W.

    Other guys do not sign for a title shot against a DKP fighter in a WBC title bout. They won't even sign for a Butler after a loss. The guy had 16 straight ko's and was A king fighter---who else signs that contract? Especially considering all the face first easy and available guys w/o DKP ties to fight instead?


    He had non title bouts against top shelf competition like Morrison and Mercer when everyone else was taking on softies. Here's a guy fighting Mercer in Jersey instead of making ray take his act on the road and fight in the UK.

    He fought the pedigreed up and comers wehen he was the old guy. Avenged his losses. What more could the guy do?

    Ali would have been the best but not with that cherry picking when he won the title back. He cleaned out the division the first time around allright, but that was not the case after.
     
  9. ForemanJab

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    He should have lost to Shavers. Earnie gave him a real hiding. It was the third gift decision Ali received after the Norton 3 and Young fights.
     
  10. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When people are listing Ken Norton as some kind of achievement, you know something is wrong.
     
  11. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another correction: Leon Spinks had 7, not 6 Ptofessional fights when he 1st faced Ali.

    When someone acts like Norton is just a tomato can despite his record in the Golden Age of boxing, then you can be sure something is wrong.

    You do trhis might as well take most of the folks off the Louis list. What, you gotta be a neat peak ATG to make the list? Then Ali wins

    Shavers is not so clear as an unfair decision, & Ali had him out on his geet at the end.
    Remove him, you might need to remove Mercer.
     
  12. The Long Count

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    For a short resume Jeffries. Has arguably the best opening fight win by a heavyweight champ ever in defeating Hank Griffith. Add in:
    Fitzsimmons 2x
    Corbett 2x
    Sharkey 2x
    That's two wins apiece against the two previous champions before you and two wins against the top contender.
    Two draws he may have shaded, one avenged later on emphatically. Also Bob Armstrong and the great (and greatly faded) Peter Jackson.
    All within a 21 fight pro career up to that point.
     
  13. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ken Norton has one meaningful win on his resume - first fight with Ali. If you are being favorable to him, you can add Young fight as some kind of achievement, although that "win" (highly controversial to say it mildly) is very much devalued by Young's two next fights. If that's one of the best fighters of the supposed "Golden Age", then there must be clearly visible cheap gray bronze under a thin layer of gilding.
     
  14. Big Ukrainian

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    Get your facts straight. Both Vitali and Lewis had the same time for preparing. Vitali should've fought Boswell, Lewis had to face Kirk Johnson.

    And to compare 38-39 y.o. Ali to 37 y.o. Lewis... well, Hopkins is 8 months OLDER than Lewis and does better at 49 today than Lewis at 37 in 2003 :yep
     
  15. Big Ukrainian

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    -Ossie Ocassio(Former WBA World Cruiserweight champ) SHOT cruiseweight
    -Gary Mason (35-0, British HW Champion) Yes
    -Glenn McCrory (Former IBF CW Champion) weak cruiserveight opponent
    -Tyrell Biggs (Super Heavweight Olympic Gold Medalist) shot and far from top-10
    -Donovan Ruddock
    -Tony Tucker (49-1) 6 years past prime
    -Frank Bruno (Former WBC HW Champion)
    -Tommy Morrison (45-2, Former WBO HW Champion)
    -Ray Mercer
    -Oliver McCall Hell NO
    -Henry Akinwande (32-0)
    -Andrew Golota
    -Shannon Briggs
    -Zeljko Mavrovic (27-0) He was unexperienced and unproven, like Vaughn Bean
    -Evander Holyfield (3 Time HW Champion)
    -Michael Grant (31-0) Overrated as hell, KO'd by McCline in 1
    -Francois Botha (40-2)
    -David Tua (37-1, 12 Straight Wins)
    -Hasim Rahman
    -Mike Tyson (49-3, Undisputed and 2 Time HW Champion)
    -Vitali Klitschko (3 time HW Champion)

    Some of them aren't, most are, but Ali had clearly more.