Best Heavyweight Resume Ever ?

Oh dear!

 

Let's put it this way, T.I. ... the rapper, got into a fistfight with Floyd Mayweather - the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world - recently ... and he had no qualms about mixing it up with him. He wasn't shaking in his boots. He came away unscathed. Because ... in the real world ... Floyd Mayweather is small for a grown man.

But if crazy Mitch "Blood" Green -- who wasn't a top-tier heavyweight ever ... took off his shirt and was willing to fight T.I., the rapper would've turned and ran.

And, if he didn't, Mitch Green would've killed him.

You guys post on message boards too much. Have you actually met some of the guys you write about?

You'd be shocked how "less than threatening" some of the "most feared" lightweights in the world are compared to the heavyweights people make fun of (but not to their faces).

In the real world, beating Floyd Patterson - any active version of Floyd Patterson -was a bigger accomplishment than beating Tony Canzoneri.

 

Beating prime Sugar Ray Robinson (147 lbs) would be minor accomplishment compared to beating Nikolai Valuev. David Haye is greater than Sugar Ray Robinson.

 

I take it you have never seen a civilian get into a figth with a boxer then.

 

I have. I even boxed as a youth.

Isn't T.I. a civilian? Isn't Mayweather the best right now? How'd that turn out? How many days was T.I. hospitalized?

If T.I. got into a fight with retired, old Mike Tyson, what would he have looked like?

Beating the best lightweights isn't a bigger accomplishment than beating the best heavyweights. Beating the best heavyweights is always more difficult for actual human beings to do.

 

Tommy Loughran is considered among the best light heavyweights who ever lived. Primo Carnera is considered among the worst of all lineal heavyweight champs.

Loughran beat some good heavyweights, even some that beat Carnera, so he challenged Carnera for the world heavyweight title.

How'd he do? He lost. Why? Because beating a giant heavyweight, even one that isn't that great, is more difficult to do than beating great middleweights like Mickey Walker.

Dick Tiger definitely considered one of the greats. As is Bob Foster. Ernie Terrell, not so much. Foster had no trouble beating Tiger, because he was smaller. Foster got knocked out by Terrell, because Terrell was too big. Who did Foster say was tougher to beat, Tiger or Terrell? Terrell.

Why'd he say that? BECAUSE IT IS MORE DIFFICULT to beat heavyweights as opposed to middleweights.

Beating the best smaller guys is EASIER than beating the best heavyweights.

And, Ali beat more of the best heavyweights than anyone else.

 

Does it occur to you that Mayweather might have been reluctant to hospitalise a high profile figure?

Look, there are a lot of stories about fights between boxers and civilians, but most of them are just that.

In every case that I have been able to substantiate as being real, it has lasted about two seconds, and the civilian has been out cold for ten minutes, even if he had a 40 pound weight advantage.

We are not even talking about world class boxers either.

 

The debate depends heavily on attitude of the arguing persons. If one of them is dismissing every criticism of old-timers as irrelevant, the debate won't get very far. Is it that hard to say "Yes, those two wins a very insignificant and were not won over 'live' opponents"? That's the attitude I was talking about.

Not entirely fair? Almost any time we compare modern boxer with an old-timer you will side with the old-timer, and will not agree open-heartedly with even very tiny concession, you will start an argument of some sort.

That was just an example. Just as you can't compare hw and lw resumes simply by numbers of ranked opponents they beat, you can't simply do that when comparing two hw's either. Boxing history is very subjective and is not not quite about numbers, otherwise they'd already have come up with an all-time ratings at boxrec that nobody would even argue with, Jack Sharkey is greater than Mike Tyson because the formula calculated him a greater rating.

To me it depends heavily on opponent you got stopped or almost stopped by.

Ken Norton vs ranked opponents:
knocked out by Top10 Garcia
somehow he got into top 10 without beating a single top 10 fighter and got a shot at Ali
won over Top10 Ali who suffered a broken jaw
lost the rematch with Top10 Ali
lost to Top10 Foreman
won over shot Jerry Quarry, who somehow has got a Top10 ranking (which is representative of how weak the division was in 1975)
lost 3rd bout to Top10 Ali
won over Top10 Bobbick
won over Top10 Young
lost to Top10 Holmes
lost to Top10 Shavers
drew with Top10 Le Doux
lost to Top10 Cooney

Came into rankings in strong era without beating a single ranked fighter? What kind of strong era is that? 4-7-1 vs ranked opponents. Really good fighter?

A chance KO win over former lhw who was an accidental titlist, and one impressive win a couple decades earlier over a declining champion make one one of the greatest champions of the division? Just shows how weak hw division always was.

 

There is video of the T.I.-Mayweather brawl all over the internet. It broke out at a restaurant. Everyone had their cameras out. It lasted for a couple of minutes. Chairs were flying. "Civilians" aren't afraid of Floyd Mayweather. He's the size of a seventh grader.

Did you see the video of the female tennis player, Maria Sharapova, clowning him at the ESPYs. He doesn't strike fear in people.

I can't post links yet, but you can find it here: buzzfeed.com/richardhjames/maria-sharapova-made-floyd-mayweather-look-very-small?sub=3392135_3411946

 

And yet whenever somebody picks a fight with the local amateur, they end up out cold for 20 minutes.

What you are seing there likley has an element of theatre to it.