Best Heavyweight Resume Ever ?

Yes, it's insane to believe beating top heavyweights is tougher to do than beating top lightweights.

Total craziness.

 

The thing is .....

Boxer 'X' may beat 'A', 'B' and 'C';
Boxer 'Y' may have beat 'D', 'E' and 'F'

and 'A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E'' and 'F' are all about the same quality

Now it may be that 'X' is a better boxer than 'Y' and, consequently

'A', 'B' and 'C' weren't "live threats" to 'X' -- but they would have been live threats to 'Y'

and 'D', 'E' and 'F' were live threats to 'Y -- but wouldn't have been to 'X'

Yet, by the 'live threat' criterion -- and not because of opponent quality, but because of the superiority of 'X' to 'Y' -- 'Y' would (incorrectly) seem better than 'X' because 'Y' was beating live threats (to himself, though they wouldn't have been to 'X'), while 'X's opponents wer not live threats (to himself, though they would have been to 'Y').

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I much prefer, to 'resume rating', a phrase I once read off a TED SPOON post: "quality of performance in light of quality of opposition."

 

The "element of theater" actually comes from watching these little guys against other equally small guys on television, and getting the idea in your mind that they are bigger than life ... when they aren't.

I can't count the number of times recently when Mayweather has appeared on a show and the next guest comes out and says "Man, he's a lot smaller than I thought."

I remember when Bob Arum signed Michael Carbajal, and when people asked him why he did, since watching light flyweights wasn't exactly a common occurrence, and he said "they all look the same size" when they're on television.

You don't see a 5 foot tall light flyweight next to the female tennis player - who will make make him look ridiculously small in comparison. You put him next to someone the same size as him, and they could be any size to the viewer watching at home.

So boxing fans - especially ones who get caught up pound-for-pound talks - view them all as equals. When, in reality, they aren't. Not by a long shot.

Floyd Mayweather is a 5'8", 150-pound grown man. He's smaller than the average person.

When he's standing next to an even smaller 5'7", 140-pound man, Floyd looks scary. So Showtime makes sure you see him standing next a lot of guys like that.

That's "theater." But don't confuse it with reality. In reality, ordinary people aren't intimidated by Mayweather. We "think" they "should" be, because we talk about how "great" he is all the time, but that's because we just see him fighting other equally small guys like himself.


That's why they created weight classes, so smaller guys could win against guys their size ... because they'd all lose to the best big men.

For someone in any weight class, beating heavyweight champions and top heavyweight contenders is a bigger accomplishment than beating top guys from other divisions, even now.

And it certainly was when Ali was champ, and the division was about as strong as it ever was.

 

I agree, Lewis should have won. It was scored a draw though, much better than a loss, Lewis kept his WBC HW belt. Their rematch was very close and really could have been a draw even a win for Holyfield.

Holyfield's loss to Moorer could have been a draw or a win for Holyfield. Actually, one of the judges scored the 2nd round 10-10... Holyfield knocked Moorer down in this round. Had that round been scored for Holyfield the fight would have been a majority draw and Holyfield would have kept the Lineal HW title.

Holyfield's draw with Ruiz could have went Holyfield's way.

 

I can't repost links. Which one of those was a screengrab from a Showtime telecast? Because, like in the first link you have there ... Showtime tends to move all the middle-aged white women -- most of whom are bigger than him - out of the way before they film him looking menacing.



It's hard to make a compelling All Access when the aging older ladies in the room make Floyd look small.

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Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say every guy in that shot above with Mayweather - with the exception of Richard Schaefer and the small little girl - would beat up Floyd Mayweather in an actual fight.

Which goes back to the point about you could walk down the street and find someone who could beat the best lightweight in the world. Three of the four men in that shot with Mayweather would likely beat him.

You don't tend to find that in photos of Wlad Klitschko and his camp, unless Vitali is there.

 

Agree, Holyfield had his share of bad decisions, too. Ruiz III and Valuev figths vere clear wins for Holyfield. I scored Valuev fight 118-110 for almost 50 y.o. Holy.

 

Ali and Louis have far and away the most wins against top 10 contenders, so whichever you fancy of those two really

 

Hmmm... I agree with some of this, but at 5'8" and 150 Lbs. little Floyd Mayweather could still beat the **** out of most 200 Lb. men (who are not world class fighters). I'm a slightly overweight 225 Lber at 6'1". I'm strong, I punch hard, I'm a good boxer (compared to most average people of the world) but Mayweather would most likely beat my ass rather easily as much as I'd hate to admit it. Does he worry me though? Not really, totally would not back down from the smaller man.

Now, if Mike Tyson, even how he is today, confronted me??? I'd probably **** my pants which is pretty much what body builder Chris Cormier did when Tyson confronted him years ago. Cormier was working at a night club (security) and Tyson smacked the back off his neck just to fvck with the guy. The 5'9 ' 285 Lb. Cormier turned around, saw Tyson, and almost had a heart attck. These are Cormier's words.