I have been thinking lately how people rank greatness. Somtimes people rank them based on achievements or head to head. This will always come down to personal perception. For example Rocky Marciano achievement in staying unbeaten and being champion is one of the greatest feats in boxing history but i still do not rate him higher than say Joe Frazier. Anyhow my post is mearly looking at another way to rank the heavyweights. This is done by imagining who This content is protected if This content is protected were a heavyweight coming up through the ranks. Or another way to look at....is who do you think you would fancy chance more with and then rank them in this way. My personal choice is this; 1980 to 2008 (28 year period) 1. Lennox Lewis 2. Mike Tyson 3. Larry Holmes 4. Evander Holyfield 5. Wladimir Klitshko 6. Riddick Bowe 7. Vitali Klitshcko 8. George Foreman (2nd version this is) 9. Tony Tucker 10. Tommy Morrison Anyhow it would be nice to hear what other think.
Good list, except that Foreman 2nd coming should not be there. The 46 yr old Foreman only got power and that is about it. His defense sucks and he was slow as molasses. People get too excited about his win over Moorer but he was being schooeld until his power came for his redemption. Foreman lost to Holy, Morrison, Shulz and would have lost to Lewis, old Holmes and a host of other top guys in the 90s.
Not a bad list, but are we including the total body of work in this period, or, can we say, place a year on a particular fighter in that timeframe? For example, Riddick Bowe's total body of work is so-so, but the 1992 version of Bowe (not to mention, Holyfield) was an absolute marvel. I guess I'm asking head-to-head or overall greatness during that period? And re-reading this more carefully, I see you covered that! If I was a heavyweight fighter coming up through the ranks, I'd least like to fight: 1. Tyson (late 80s) 2. Bowe (early 90s) 3. Lewis (late 90s) 4. Holyfield (early 90s) 5. Holmes (early 80s) 6. Vitali Klitchko (2004, assuming healthy) 7. Wladimir Klitschko (NOW) 8. Andrew Golota (1996) 9. Chris Byrd (early 2000s) 10. Buster Douglas (1990 after his mother passed away) Or something like that! :smoke
You cant rank Wladimir above Bowe. No way Jose. Bowe was a superb fighter in his admittedly short prime, and was undisputed HW champ. He beat a prime Holyfield twice in epic fights. Also a better head to head fighter than Wlad. Bowe was the superior fighter and acheived more than Wlad has.
im going to show you in order what boxre feels about the post 1980's crew. 8 ) larry holmes 15) george foreman 18) lennox lewis 19) mike tyson 36) jerry quarry (technically) :huh 39) joe bugner :huh 47) mike weaver 50) riddick bowe 54) gerrie coetzee 64) jimmy young :huh 68 ) michael dokes 75) ernie shavers 76) ron lyle 77) tim weatherspoon 81) frank bruno 106) trevor berbick 111) leon spinks 114) gregory page 115) vitali klitchsko 123) lucian rodriguez :huh 141) bunny johnson 148) james douglas 158 ) dominico adinolfi 162)alfredo evangelista 166) bonecrusher 184) pinklon thomas 185) tony tucker 191) tony tubbs 193) john tate 197) john louis gardner :huh :Huh :Huh 198) pierre coetzer 200) gerry cooney 208) francesco damiani 216) renoldo snipes 230) adilson rodriguez :huh 240) razor ruddock 242) brian nielson 244) kirk johnson 278) jimmy thunder
For the past 28 years Holmes should be number 1, Holyfield or Lennox would be a close call for number 2..
I think judging on one fight, one year etc is to narrow the focus somewhat. Of course when you see an entire carrer you can understand the fighter more...i.e Golota looked good in 1996 or was he? I mean every fight he led, he for some strange reason collasped. Tommy Morrison was a good come forward fighter who lost 3 times to Lewis, Mercer and Bentt also had victories over Ruddock and Foreman. I think he showed through out his carrer what he was, a dangerous foe,who can get caught if he thinks your hurt leaving him open to countes. Riddick Bowe...........if you analsye all 3 fights, the one thing that strikes me is that if he fought Holyfield for a 4th time........then i would not be surprised if Holy won. The first fight......review the first round and watch Holy outbox Bowe easily but he wanted to prove he was the bigger man and slugged it out with him. The second fight Bowe was far more confident if not already on the downward slide BUT Holy still wins it by a round. The 3rd fight is a mystery.......Holy had him down but then for the first only time in his carrer lost energy to finish him off. In fact if these two men fought each other 10 times, i believe it would be 5-5. I also think that the reason people judge Bowe so higly is; 1. He was a big man who could fight inside/ 2. He never tried to sit back on his jab lie a Wlad or Lewis/3. He was American....not a bad thing but the world media is an american dominated one/ 4. His carrer was so short that people only get a few fights to see him in......plus we never saw him get knockout or lose badly. My main thing witht he list is to look upon judging the fighter through a different lense.............if we were to judge purely at peak then tyson wins hands down as he looked awesome BUT then we know that he didnt deal with adversity as well say Holy or a Lewis. Foreman was there to be outboxed...........but he did have the chance to always knock you out.......moorer and cooney. Of course the he did lose to average fighters like Schultz. Anyhow for me when i did the list......i took into account there overall carrer (how consistent they were, how good they looked when on top, and how they dealt with things when it wasnt going there own way) and them at there very best. Remember it just people perception..........who would you least like to come up against to win a crown.........or who do you think would pose as your greatest obstacle. Nice feeback anyhow guys!
A good list, Holyfield is badly overrated as a heavyweight. He was never dominant and lost often. I made a few changes 1. Lennox Lewis 2. Mike Tyson 3. Larry Holmes 4. Riddick Bowe 5. Evander Holyfield 6. Vitali Klitshcko 7. Wladimir Klitshcko 8. Michael Moorer 9. Tony Tucker 10. Michael Spinks
Since 1980? :think This is my list: 1. Lennox Lewis 2. Larry Holmes 3. Evander Holyfield 4. Mike Tyson 5. Wladimir Klitschko 6. Riddick Bowe 7. Tim Witherspoon 8. Chris Byrd 9. Vitali Klitschko 10. Ray Mercer 11. George Foreman 12. Michael Spinks This is my list using the criteria in this thread: 1. Lennox Lewis 2. Mike Tyson 3. Larry Holmes 4. Riddick Bowe 5. Evander Holyfield 6. Vitali Klitschko 7. Wladimir Klitschko 8. Ray Mercer 9. George Foreman 10. Tim Witherspoon 11. Chris Byrd 12. Michael Spinks
Sorry another thing to add.........fighters have bad days and good.......Does Vlad really lose to Purrity again> Haye lose to Thompson again Lewis lose to Rahman again For me the answers would be no as 9 out of 10 times they would be these fights.........but there is always that one possiblity that why 9 is the max for me personally. So all when you judge who you least like to face etc of the last 28 years.........remember them at there best and worst. Remember no right or wrong.......also if people could add some info on why they chose certain guys for there top 3.......could provide and a highly educated and interested debate.