Best I Faced: Ruben Olivares

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
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    Ruben Olivares is remembered fondly as one of the most exciting – and best – fighters in history.

    Olivares became immensely popular among Mexicans and action-loving fans worldwide because of his ferocious fighting style, chilling punching power (particularly his left hook to the body) and winning ways over a career that extended beyond two decades.

    All but 17 of his 105 fights ended in a knockout (either of his opponent or himself), which made for many thrilling nights. He finished with a record of 89-13-3 (79 knockouts) and once had a record of 61-0-1 (58 KOs), an indication of how dominating he was in his prime.

    Olivares ultimately had four title reigns – including two as Ring champion – over two divisions.

    “Look at his number of knockouts,” the late Hall of Fame writer Bert Sugar once told The Ring. “He was a dual champion. He was never in an unexciting fight. He had a left hook from hell. Everything about him said ‘great fighter.’”

    Olivares turned pro a few days shy of his 18th birthday, in 1965, scoring the first of 24 consecutive knockouts to start his career.

    The native of Mexico City punched his way up the bantamweight rankings before winning his first titles by stopping WBA and WBC beltholder Lionel Rose in the fifth round at the Forum in Inglewood, California, an arena in which he fought 22 times.

    He considers that his proudest moment in boxing.

    Olivares would go on to face some of the biggest names in the late 1960s and ’70s, an era filthy rich with exciting fighters in the lower weight divisions.

    He defeated Chucho Castillo in two of three classic wars, winning and regaining his titles in the process. He split two memorable fights with Art Hafey, including a knockout loss. He lost his WBA featherweight title to the great Alexis Arguello by stoppage. He won two of three fights against Hall of Famer Bobby Chacon, including a second-round KO that gave him the WBC featherweight title.

    And, it seemed, he never let down fans hoping to be entertained.

    Olivares’ last great victory was a second-round knockout of future star Jose Luis Ramirez in 1978, the only time the iron-jawed Mexican was stopped. Olivares initially retired in 1981, made one-fight comebacks in 1986 and 1988 and then left the sport for good.

    “Looking back, there are three men that I would have liked to have fought,” Olivares told The Ring through representative Gene Aguilera. “Of all the fighters from Mexico, I would have loved to face Rodolfo Martinez, the former bantamweight world champion. I tried to get the fight but it never got made. I really would have liked to have fought Eder Jofre and Vicente Saldivar because they had big names.”

    Olivares, now 70, lives in Mexico City with his wife and has six grown children. He is still greeted with spirited applause at boxing events and keeps a foot in the sport. He said he trains a few boxers.

    “I am looking for the next Ruben Olivares, with the left hook to the liver!” he said.

    That isn’t likely.
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Chucho Castillo: We fought three times at the Fabulous Forum and went a total of 44 brutal rounds. I believe our trilogy defined both our careers. Chucho gave me my first defeat when the ring doctor stopped the fight in the 14th round because of a bad eye cut. His punches came at me really fast. Castillo had a lot of handspeed and he hit very hard.

    Kazuyoshi Kanazawa: Kanazawa really moved around a lot. He knew how to work the ropes really good.

    Art Hafey: I fought Hafey the first time in Monterrey in 1973. I underestimated him at the time and figured it would be an easy win in Mexico. I remember seeing him at the hotel lobby early one morning. As he was getting ready to leave to do his morning roadwork, I was just getting back from a night of partying. In the fifth round, Hafey put me to sleep – a deep sleep.

    Eusebio Pedroza: At age 32, I made my final attempt to win a world title against him. He was younger and very strong, like a bull. His punches were really hard. We tried our best and made it to the 12th round, when I got knocked out.

    Pedroza: He was a master at slipping punches. I could never hit him because I couldn’t find him. He moved around so much.

    Alexis Arguello: This was the first defense of my featherweight title. … I was winning the fight through the first 12 rounds, pushing Arguello around, landing on him, staggering him at times. But he had the best jab I ever faced. When he threw his jab, he was always moving around. He had a very sharp, direct jab.

    Arguello: Arguello stood his ground and then let go of his punches. He hit really hard. I think because I was a natural bantam that moved up to feather – and he was basically a lightweight that moved down to feather – that he was a lot stronger than me. He had explosive power. … I got careless in the 13th, got caught with an uppercut, and instead of trying to shake the cobwebs, I went at him. Big mistake.

    Kanazawa: He had a great defense and he was fast. I fought Kanazawa twice, once in Mexico and the other time in Japan. In the first fight, I knocked him out in two rounds. In the second fight, I knocked him out in the 14th. In the second fight, Kanazawa was better. He really trained because it was a world title fight. He did everything he could in training to try to beat me. I also went into the second fight very well-trained.

    Bobby Chacon: First of all, I was very saddened to hear about Bobby’s passing. We became friends after it was all over. A great champion he was. Chacon was never in a bad fight. He was a brave fighter who moved like a ring general. Chacon hit hard but he also took a lot of punishment in the ring. He showed patience in the ring. He was a good boxer-puncher who stood in there and gave it all he had.

    Jesus Pimentel: There were three really tough ones: Pimentel, Bobby Chacon and Art Hafey. I would say Pimentel was the toughest. He had big cojones, he boxed and he put up with a lot of punishment. Bobby Chacon, too. I beat Chacon two out of three fights. Art Hafey – a great, great boxer. Tough. He threw a thundering right hand.
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    I like how he is surprisingly (mostly) straight forward regarding his career, especially when he really played the part of an ATG. Guy just knows how amazing he was.
  5. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 15, 2013
    I wonder what would he say about Salvador Sanchez.
  6. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    Very matter of fact about his losses - no excuses, even when talking about how he was out partying before the Hafey fight.

    I like that he gives Eusebio Pedroza credit too even though he was right at the end of his top flight career by the time he fought him.

    He probably could have been greater than he already was had he shown a monk-like dedication to training but in a way, those disciplinary weaknesses are part of why he is fondly remembered - he lived as hard as he fought and thankfully lived to tell the tale.
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 2, 2006
    I always liked this one. Very honest and gracious. Didn't even draw down that his loss to Castillo was butt-induced. Just left it as it is. The only one I was sort of surprised at was Pedroza as the strongest. I would never have noted Pedroza for that. I would have thought Rafael Herrera who just couldn't be budged in their fights. So strong on the inside. But that was my only question mark. Now compare Ruben's, who gives his opponents plaudits, to the Lennox Lewis Best I faced and you'll come away saying, 'someone has to get over himself.'
  8. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 24, 2004
    When people start talking about Canelo being the ATGreatest Mexican boxer they need to keep Olivares "the Thorn" in mind.
  9. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Well-Known Member Full Member

    Sep 11, 2018
    One of my all-time favorite fighters. I can’t think of more than a handful of fighters who’s bouts I re-visit more. Just love watching him. Great guy too.

    His picks were among the most honest of this series. He also did a “greatest hits” for the Ring which Gene helped collaborate. That was a great read too. They say Olivares should have a statue outside The Forum. I agree 1000%!!!
  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    So honest and believable, that's what sticks out.

    I can't for the life of me find it but i am sure i read that Chacon stated Olivares was the best he faced, basically by a big margin. The respect was obviously mutual.
  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 22, 2009
    Great, great thread and superb responses. Kudos to each and every one of you.
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  12. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jun 24, 2017
    I’ll moider da bum.
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  13. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 22, 2015
    They should think that if Canelo's mentioned in the top #10 greatest Mexican fighters in history.