BEST I FACED: SUGAR RAY LEONARD

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You must mean big ironically, but no way do people thinbk Berbick won nearly every round.
    Out of only 10 rounds that must mean Ali only won 1 or the most 2 rounds.
    The widest judges (2) had it was 99-94.A
    Although raters here may reflect some bias when most disagreed with the official verdict-many scoring it a draw-https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/drama-bahama-muhammad-ali-vs-trevor-berbick

    It is hard not to give Ali at least the majority of rounds for the first half of the fight.
    But then he tired, what was surprising is that what i call the Shell of the Corpse of the Ghost of Ali could put up any resistence whatsoever, let alone win rounds.

    But I never have wanted tp bear actually watching that fight.
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Camacho wasn`t better than Duran, Hearns, Benitez or Hagler above 135 and Duran would have beaten Rosario at 135 far more convincingly than Camacho did, Camacho was much smaller than Ray and so was everybody that Hector beat, Leonard would have destroyed the much smaller Rosario at 147, Camacho was not a world class fighter at 154.
     
  3. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Benitez was on the downslide due to coke abuse
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  5. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Taken back only because Duran never came close to dropping him or stopping in their 3 fights. I remember him been staggered a bit in one of the early rounds in the first fight but that’s about it.
     
  6. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He didn`t toy with him, he missed a ton of shots and simply overpowered him in the latter rounds because Sr had no power.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Leonard was rocked to his socks in the 2nd.
     
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  8. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah but he didn’t go down and recovered. Hearns in their second fight really hurt him and dropped him. He had been dropped before but that was like the first time he looked really hurt.
     
  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    I’ve never seen the fight honestly. Yeah I’m saying this all ironically to annoy the Mark guy.
     
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  10. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Macho man still beat Duran twice when they were both above 135.
     
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  11. ThatOne

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    Macho was a very good boxer. His antics sometimes overshadowed his talent.
     
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  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He was really hurt by Duran but Hearns certainly punched hardder than Duran at 168, however his knockdowns over Leonard didn`t look that severe and RAy`s head was completely clear after he was floored in that fight, Duran`s hook came with more speed because he was lighte and quicker than Hearns in these two respective fights v Ray, it`s the punches you don`t see, speed can make a punch have more sting in a way.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Norris would have destroyed Camacho at 154.
    In 1996, Durán fought Héctor Camacho for the vacant IBC Middleweight Championship. At the end of the fight, fans and TV commentators seemed in complete agreement that Durán had won the fight in an excellent performance, but the three judges saw the fight very differently and awarded Camacho the victory by a very controversial unanimous decision. Durán's old rival, Sugar Ray Leonard, commentating at ringside, was baffled at the scoring and called it an early Christmas gift for Camacho, with the result motivating Leonard enough to come out of a 6-year boxing retirement to face Camacho himself in 1997. In 1997, Durán was defeated by former champion Jorge Castro in Argentina. Durán then fought Castro in a rematch bout in Panama and won via unanimous decision, maintaining his unbeaten record in Panama.
     
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  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why don’t you use your powers of diagnosis through video and show us all the current fighters who have Parkinson’s?

    Think of all the good you could do, Dr. Ant?

    Because the Mayo Clinic did not find any. Ferdie Pacheco liked to claim later that he did but it is very well documented in his own words AT THE TIME that he was worried about Ali’s kidneys, not Parkinson’s or any other malady. And he also accepted the Mayo Clinic’s findings.

    If you find out later that someone has a disease, you can in almost any case look back and say, ‘hmmm, now that I know this, I can perhaps see some things that might be related to that even though we didn’t know it at the time.’ But the most qualified doctors in the world didn’t see it at the time. The diagnosis came in 1984.
     
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  15. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My friends, the Mayo Clinic did find Ali had trouble hopping, speaking, and touching his finger to his nose. Jonathan Eig in his exhaustive book about Ali utilized speech therapists to measure how many words per minute Ali spoke and they slowed and slowed throughout the years of his boxing career. We know he was diagnosed with Parkinsons in 1984. We don't know when he became symptomatic. Surely well before that. He was a genuine American hero and should have been enshrined in glass after he dispatched of George Foreman. He might still be with us. Never smoked, never drank,and never did drugs.
     
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