BEST I FACED: SUGAR RAY LEONARD

If your uncle dies of a heart attack and they find massive blockage, that bout of indigestion he had when you had a couple of hot dogs with him at the ballpark now looks different.

Yes the Mayo Clinic found some things but they also called those minor and cleared him to fight. They did NOT conclude or report that he had Parkinson’s.

I can give you a long list of fighters who have slurred or slow speech but that is not necessarily a Parkinson’s thing.

I’ve searched and cannot find ‘words per minute’ being a diagnostic tool for Parkinson’s.

The PRIMARY symptom of Parkinson’s is tremors and muscle spasms. I’m not aware of Mayo or any commission doctor finding those in Ali before his diagnosis.

Yes, clearly knowing that Ali has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s someone can look back and find things and make it seem like it was obvious to everyone at the time — but in all of that footage did he isolate tremors and muscle spasms? You think that’s the main thing he’d look for.

 

He didn’t die of Parkinson’s (rare) and he definitely did use dangerous drugs when training for Holmes.

 

He died of sepsis which was related to his Parkinson's Disease. The Parkinson Disease likely precipitated the sequelae of events which led to his death.

Ali passed away from Parkinson’s-related complications in 2016 at the age of 74, but his mission lives on.

https://parkinsonsnewstoday.com/201...way from Parkinson's,but his mission lives on.

Otherwise healthy people don't just develop sepsis out of the blue

By drugs I was alluding to recreational drugs. Most folks could draw the appropriate inference.

Prior to the Holmes fight he was prescribed Thyrolar by a licensed physician for a thyroid condition he didn't have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ve-died/b67ab02d-8e88-4f3c-87ca-08c594e082e1/

 

There is no specific test to diagnose Parkinson's Disease. It is a constellation of symptoms:


Parkinson's signs and symptoms may include:
Tremor. A tremor, or shaking, usually begins in a limb, often your hand or fingers. ...
Slowed movement (bradykinesia). ...
Rigid muscles. ...
Impaired posture and balance. ...
Loss of automatic movements. ...
Speech changes. ...
Writing changes.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/parkinsons-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20376055



Heroes like Ali paved the way to understanding Parkinson’s by sharing their own experiences. A 2017 study found that Parkinson’s substantially impacted Ali’s speech, even before he was formally diagnosed. By studying the changes that Ali observed before his diagnosis, medical professionals can better understand the early symptoms of Parkinson’s.

https://parkinsonsnewstoday.com/201...way from Parkinson's,but his mission lives on.

 

Sepsis following a respiratory infection.

 

Ali passed away from Parkinson's-related complications in 2016 at the age of 74, but his mission lives on.Oct 23, 2019

Muhammad Ali's Life and Parkinson's Legacy
https://parkinsonsnewstoday.com › 2019/10/23 › muham...


The immediate cause of death was sepsis. Parkison's Disease was likely one of the proximate causes:

“A direct link from Parkinson’s to sepsis is a long jump. However, there are several features of Parkinson’s – especially later in the course of the illness – that can place a patient at higher risk for [developing] an infection, which can get into the bloodstream and cause them to become septic,” said Dr. Michael S. Okun, national medical director of the National Parkinson Foundation.

Parkinson’s patients are at higher risk when hospitalized because the disease “can set up a scenario that decreases the threshold for getting an infection and makes it more difficult to clear the infection,” said Okun, who is also the chairman of neurology at the University of Florida.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/09/health/muhammad-ali-parkinsons-sepsis/index.html

Did he die from Parkinson's Disease? No, but the complications of Parkison's Disease led to the sequelae of events that led to his death. In layman's language, if not for the Parkinson's Disease he might still be alive.

 

Duran quicker than Hitman Hearns at Welterweight?

Lol

 

My point is, someone knowing years later that Ali has been diagnosed with Parkinson’s looks at film of him in retrospect from before he was diagnosed and is like ‘Gee can’t everyone see he has Parkinson’s?’ It’s confirmation bias that can’t be wrong because we know he has it.

Now there are other boxers who have slurred speech — Thomas Hearns to name one. To my knowledge he hasn’t been diagnosed with the very specific condition that is Parkinson’s.

So can that guy or any of our other Internet forum doctors say he has it when real doctors cannot? Can these same Dr. Gregory House’s of the Classic Forum give us a list of which fighters do and do not have Parkinson’s merely looking at interview videos, when actual doctors have to do all those silly medical tests?

 

Just stop. You’re ignoring the endless articles that speak of a respiratory infection. Google it yourself.

 

No offence, antman but pleasee come up with a point to your rambling stories. It hurts the eyes just trying to read them and the brain in trying to figure out just what the hell you're talking about.

 

Not to be contentious. Let's see if we can find areas of agreement. He was diagnosed in 1984 but would you agree he wasn't right long before that and a person can suffer from a disease long before it's diagnosed?

Poor Tommy likely has Dementia Pugilistica. As I said in a previous post anybody who has played a contact sport has suffered a brain injury. The lucky ones have brain injuries that don't manifest themselves while they're alive.

 

He died from sepsis which is a body wide infection. Parkinson's Disease makes an individual more prone to infections and less able to fight them.

Boxing legend Muhammad Ali will be laid to rest Friday, one week after he died at age 74. Ali had been publicly battling Parkinson’s disease for more than three decades, so it came as a surprise to many that his official cause of death, according to family spokesman Bob Gunnell, was “septic shock due to unspecified natural causes.”

“Sepsis is the body’s overwhelming and life-threatening response to an infection, which can lead to tissue damage, organ failure and death,” according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


“A direct link from Parkinson’s to sepsis is a long jump. However, there are several features of Parkinson’s – especially later in the course of the illness – that can place a patient at higher risk for [developing] an infection, which can get into the bloodstream and cause them to become septic,” said Dr. Michael S. Okun, national medical director of the National Parkinson Foundation.

Parkinson’s patients are at higher risk when hospitalized because the disease “can set up a scenario that decreases the threshold for getting an infection and makes it more difficult to clear the infection,” said Okun, who is also the chairman of neurology at the University of Florida.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/09/health/muhammad-ali-parkinsons-sepsis/index.html

I'm anything if not fair. I'll let posters decide if they want to embrace the medical opinion of No Neck or Dr. Michael S. Okun, national medical director of the National Parkinson Foundation.

 

I’m not trying to be contentious either.

But if Ali had, say, been publicly diagnosed with dementia that same person who studied his interviews would likely have been able to come forward — even if his speech patterns were exactly the same as they were in real life — and say, ‘Isn’t it obvious, we can clearly see this pattern.’

Because there’s a change in speech.

Which happens often with dementia and which also occurs in Parkinson’s — and not every Parkinson’s speech pattern change is the same, so it didn’t meet a narrow, specific parameter.

I’ve seen people on this very forum claim that Ali clearly had Parkinson’s when he fought Berbick, and he did not clearly have Parkinson’s because the highest medical authority in the USA (and possibly the world), the Mayo Clinic, had checked him out (as had UCLA’s top-rated medical facility) … and neither of them suggested that he was suffering from it.

Now should he have fought? No, not in my opinion. I wish he hadn’t. But the prevailing opinion at the time among boxing people was (a) it had become known that he was prescribed and taking well above recommended dosages a thyroid medication as if they were weight-loss pills in his lead-up to the Holmes fight, so it was unclear if he wasn’t actually closer to, say, the level he fought vs. Leon Spinks in the rematch; and (b) while he was obviously not nearly what he once had been, he had a right to make the decision whether to fight or not for himself — he’s the one taking the punches and people do things that aren’t good for them all the time (drink, smoke, eat badly, not exercise, take drugs, etc.).

Now where we all fall on this is a matter of personal worldview. I think at the time it was a bit of a more libertarian general viewpoint that people should be allowed to choose to take risks and do things that aren’t good for them — boxing should be abolished entirely if one thinks people should not, as it is obviously not good for you — whereas today there’s more of a line of thought that people should be protected from themselves (at least in some cases).

 

Stop. He had a respiratory infection and got sepsis after. You can read all about it on his wikipedia page instead of apparently trying to figure out what sepsis is and post quotes here. There's an indirect link to Parkinson's just like there is to old age. He lived to be about as old as his parents.