Best I've faced: George Chuvalo

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Best overall: Muhammad Ali in 1966. Although his quickness was outstanding he was able to absorb a great shot and he tricked you in the ring. You could hurt Ali and never know it. By his own admission I had him in trouble once or twice, but I didn’t take advantage. I only had 17 days notice for that fight, and if I’d had an extra month of preparation then that would have helped me a lot.

    When Ali and I met again, in 1972, he wasn’t the same fighter. There were a few sports writers who actually thought I won the rematch, but when I tell that story now people laugh. In the second fight his speed and skills had diminished slightly and he wasn’t as consistent with his work.


    Best boxer:
    Muhammad Ali in the first fight. I tried to apply pressure and take him to the ropes, because he was so dangerous at long range. The trick for me was to keep it close and I punished him heavily to the body throughout that fight. In fact prior to the rematch, at the Georgia Hotel in Vancouver, he asked my trainer if we were planning on going to his body again, so it was on his mind. After our first fight Ali was taken to St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto with bleeding kidneys, whereas I went dancing with my wife.

    Best puncher:
    Mike DeJohn and George Foreman, although the referee helped Mike out more than once. I knocked DeJohn out cold at the end of the second round and the referee carried him back to the corner where it was decided, after a debate, that I gave Mike a hip check. In reality I’d hit him with half a dozen unanswered punches, but they penalized me and scored the round for DeJohn. It was a joke. In the sixth I got him down again and the referee picked him up a second time. Given the officiating I was lucky to get a majority decision, when I’d knocked him out twice. Still, when he was on his feet, he was a sharp puncher with a good uppercut.


    George Foreman was very heavy handed and there was a different feel to his shots. The best ****ogy would be Joe Frazier and Jerry Quarry hitting you was equivalent to being struck by a car at 100 mph, but when George landed it was like being hit by a mac truck at 50 mph. There was more weight in his punches. Still I was upset that the referee stopped that fight (in Round 3) because I was fine, and Foreman was getting tired. He was exhausted and I honestly believe I would have knocked him out, had I been allowed to continue. Look what happened to him in Zaire four years later.

    I actually met Ali in Ontario, just prior to him travelling to Africa, and he asked me what I thought about him fighting George. I told him that George throws punches out the window and wastes his energy. Ali said he had something in store for him, but I didn’t know what that meant until I watched the fight and saw the rope a dope.

    Best defense: Joe Frazier, believe it or not. He was very hard to hit and bobbing and weaving was natural to him. He’s recognized as a great fighter, but not many people compliment Joe on his defense. The uppercut was the only shot he was really susceptible to, as we seen against George Foreman. Joe was excellent at avoiding straight punches, which was the reason he gave Ali so much trouble in the first fight. He slipped the punches and closed the gap.


    Fastest hands: Muhammad Ali again. His jab was quicker than any punch I ever came across. Floyd Patterson is a close second, but Ali definitely edges him in terms of hand speed. Floyd and I fought THE RING magazine Fight of the Year in 1965, which was kind of cool at the time. It was close and it could have gone either way, but Patterson was a New Yorker and we were fighting at Madison Square Garden. I wasn’t surprised that he got the decision.

    Fastest feet: Hector Eduardo Corletti in London. He ran around like he was on a motor cycle that night. I was actually laughing because he was jumping around all over the place and it was funny to watch. The irony is he ran like hell against me, but traded punches with Jerry Quarry and Al “Blue” Lewis and got himself knocked out.

    They gave Corletti the decision, against me, despite the fact that I bust his cheek bone and shook him up pretty good. The other thing is in England they didn’t encourage in-fighting, almost to the point where they don’t allow it, and that prevented me from producing my best work. I wish I could get myself a copy of that fight, because I haven’t seen it since 1966.

    Best chin: Muhammad Ali. According to his trainer, Angelo Dundee, I had him out in Round 5 of the rematch, but he bluffed his way out of it and waved me in. I clipped him with a left hook to the point of the chin and, although it wasn’t hard, it was perfectly placed. He did exactly the same thing with Ernie Shavers a few years later. Still, over the twenty seven rounds we thought his chin was definitely the most reliable.

    Best jab: Muhammad Ali. He had the best jab, but this area shows the difference between fights one and two. In the rematch I was able to use my jab against him and I had real success with it. Dundee said he was surprised I stopped throwing it in the second half of the fight, because I was matching Ali at times. The jab is important and it sets up all your other shots, but I didn’t use mine as much as Muhammad used his. Watch the rematch again and you’ll see I was successful with mine early.

    Strongest: George Foreman, but we didn’t find out if he could have maintained that strength. Honest to God I think I had him. George was winded at the end, breathing very heavily and my ability to take a good whack was never questioned, whereas Foreman’s stamina was. Later Ali exploited George’s weakness in a spectacular con job but, in terms of intelligence, ‘The Rumble in the Jungle’ was the best fight I ever saw.

    Smartest: Muhammad Ali was the smartest. Whenever he was hurt he faked his way out of it and that came with experience. Despite all of his attributes as a fighter he survived so many rough moments by being a great bluffer. He was tough to hit, and when you eventually did get to him he outsmarted you and that might have been your only chance. He had so many tricks up his sleeve.
     
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  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    This is a fantastic read, thank you!
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Cheers:good Frazier fans don't like to read the bit about Ali not being the same in his comeback but it's true.
     
  4. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    Lol chuvalo lived in his own world, i could, i would i think... Blablabla facts chuvalo facts..
     
  5. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    "Best I've Faced", probably the best addition to our current Ring magazine. Thanks for posting!
     
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Is Ring Magazine any good these days?
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I only read the "Best I've Faced" section. The only thing I look forward to. Nothing more.
     
  8. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    They somehow need to get the magazine where the fights they cover are less than 3 months old.
     
  9. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like it. Lots of good feature articles, fights are as up to date as you could hope from a monthly (actually only 9 a year now) good european and british coverage. Could do without the women's boxing section, but if it helps sell magazines good for them. Look forward to it every month
     
  10. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. The guy was always ready with an excuse.
     
  11. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I like Chuvalo comments on boxing in general. He's rather articulate considering the amount of punishment he has taken. Essentially he's the voice of heavyweight boxing in the 60's and 70's today as he fought most of them, and some of his most famous opponents have passed.

    Two major disagreements. Chuvalo thinks Willie Pep is the best pound for pound fighter of all time, and his assessment of Frazier's defense. Ali had no problem landing on Frazier. Lots of guys landed on Frazier.
     
  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali also had arguably the fastest hands of any hw in history. Its no surprise he could land on frazier. But its also easy to see why chuvalo lauded fraziers defense. If you watch their fight frazier was making chuvalo miss like crazy. It was damn impressive.
     
  13. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In that fight Fraziers ability to slip punches (which was very good) was greatly enhanced by Chuvalos extremely slow punches.
     
  14. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier had excellent head movement and he made speedsters like Ali miss a huge percentage of his punches. Fraziers main issue was a tendency to not move his feet as he was dodging punches. Ali used this to his advantage in fight three as he constantly got to Frazier with a follow up hook as Joe came up out of his crouch after ducking the Ali right hand.
     
  15. fatcity

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    Good read-thanks.Interesting that George noticed Foremen's lack of endurance in their fight.