best jabs at HW

Thomas jab was a technically inferior punch.

 

Angelo Dundee called it the best jab he had seen since Sonny Liston. Yes, that Angelo Dundee. And yes, Sonny Liston not Ali. So pack up all your inane rantings about Ali, and now about Thomas, and go learn something. Your boxing IQ has all the nuance and subtlety of a thrown brick.

 

I'm the biggest Ali fan there is. And he had one of the best jabs of all time. But Liston had the best jab of any boxer. If his jab were filmed with modern cameras, it would look like some kind of circus freak act.

 

1.liston
2.bowe
3.michael dokes
4. Pinklon thomas
5.larry holmes
6. Diwght qawi
7.lennox lewis
8.george foreman
9. W klitscho
10.ray mercer

 

Dundee said plenty of things and most has to be taken with a grain of salt. Thomas jab was a punchers jab, like Liston, Like Louis. So in effect Dundees statement was correct as it was a good punchers jab. However the jab of Ali which he coupled with lateral movement was superior to any of these punches......thrown at angles, so quick it can't be slipped. Thomas was technically inferior as he ****ed his body at an odd angle, kept his left side wide open and dropped his jab every time he threw it. Learn how to fight before you make claims not supported by reality.

 

If there's any doubt about his 84" reach, his early fights should clear that up.
That jab had every ounce of his weight behind it, was a face breaker and seemed to land from well out of distance ????

 

Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless.

Again, name the great textbook fighters and I will name a dozen more that broke the "rules" in order to be great. Ali dropped his jab, too, especially to follow with a hook and almost always, especially later on, with the right hand. Why? Because he didn't need a textbook to win. He used timing. Your criticism of Thomas is just bunk. His jab absolutely controlled fights. He jabbed to the head and the body, doubled and tripled the jab, and loaded the hook off his jab. My contention with you is not that Ali's wasn't a great jab but that the argument between his and others "isn't even close". That is just fan-boy nonsense.

 

Holmes, Ali, Thomas, Page, Williams.

 

The question is which was the greater jab. The answer is the Ali jab. The advantage is Ali's movement which allows him to slip that Liston or Thomas style jab and land his own, at angles, and so quick it can't be readily slipped. The advantage is Ali's incredible hand speed which is unmatched by Liston or Thomas or Louis. In practice Ali nullified the Liston jab and the above is why. In practice he would do the same vs the comparably inept Thomas. This is technically why the Ali jab is the better weapon. And it's not close. ANGLES, SPEED, MOVEMENT trumps a forward stepping, slower jab not thrown with movement. Ali could keep his hands low and not be hit because of his speed. Have you ever boxed? I highly doubt it as your knowledge of the sport is exceedingly poor.

 

Listons jab is the Holy Grail of Heavyweight Jabs.

 

Liston threw a hard straight jab. A punchers jab. Prime Ali's jab would always dominate vs this type of jab.

 

If you look at Ali vs Liston 1&2 you can see that even not the best Version
of Liston hit the much faster Ali with some very good jabs.

Knocks Alis Head back when he lands. Liston has simply too long Reach.
Liston is easily in Top 3 best Heavyweight Jabs.

 

Angelo Dundee - The best i've trained



Best jab: (three-way tie) Rodriguez, Ali, Leonard — This is another tough one. I was lucky to train so many good boxers who could jab. I taught the jab as boxing’s most important punch but these three already had good jabs before they came to train with me. When I think about it, all of my guys had good jabs. It was Pastrano’s main punch. Pinklon Thomas had a good left stick. He gave Mike Tyson trouble with his jab when Tyson was at his best. But the best jabs of the guys I trained belonged to Luis, Ray and Muhammad. Ray had a great jab. Muhammad’s was a thing of beauty. Luis’ jab was smooth but tricky. These guys could dominate fights with their jabs.

 

Liston.

 

Holmes