Best legacy ever- which fighter?

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  1. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i never get mad or emotional posting online, but you get incensed (and easily triggered) when it comes to floyd.
    and you are on a crusade.

    it's like you're trying to change history, and if you say it often enough, somebody might just re-write the history books in your favour.

    floyd's not a great fighter, and floyd should have 5 losses? really?
     
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  2. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this isn't "an honest opinion", it's just hate.
     
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  3. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    That is my honest opinion of Floyd Yes. Whereas you Pimp & the other fanboys worship the coward. I'd rather support a FIGHTER!!whereas you guys follow a diva like little lemmings. You pay your $$$ you make your choice lol
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    you use the word HATE too freely . I just do not respect Floyd in how he has cheated so many times.
     
  5. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you hating floyd is the worst kept 'secret' on the board.
    the only person who doesn't seem to know this...is you.
     
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  6. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Well-Known Member Full Member

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    never paid to watch floyd fight.
    already told you a few weeks ago, the local pub shows them for free.

    and you want to call a guy who lives, eats and breathes boxing a "coward".
    that's ridiculous in anyone's book.

    i'm sorry floyd doesn't eat as many punches as he dishes out, maybe if more fighters had the skillset to do that, their fights wouldn't appease the beer and popcorn fans so much too.
    but they can't, can they?
     
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  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Thats the classic answer from a rabid fan of a lousy loser of a fighter when someone tells the truth about their hero. They label that someone as a HATER. When they are actually telling the truth about the loser lol
     
  8. Aussie Invader

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    at 50-0, i'd love to be a loser.
    then i can get haters.
     
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  9. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    But every honest boxing person know that Floyds REAL record is not 50-0
    Castillo & Maidana both beat his ass but Vegas corruption gave him bogus decision wins. the Ortiz fight should have been a DQ loss for the cowardly cold ****ing of a totally vulnerable Ortiz by Mayweather. so should the Judah fight be a DQ loss when Roger jumped in ring & attacked Judah. Plus no real champion would claim the McGregor fiasco a legitimate title defence LOL . Add to these a N/C for the Floyd/Pac fight due to the obvious cheating in IV gate At best Floyd's record should be
    44 - 5 with one N/C
     
  10. Aussie Invader

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    44-5 - good one.

    i'm starting yoga in 10 minutes. want to join me?
     
  11. gollumsluvslave

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    As much as I rate Calzaghe (probably UK's best ever talent), his resume and legacy does have some holes in it, though much of that is extenuating circumstances and not entirely his own fault.

    1) Frank Warren managed Calzaghe pretty poorly through most of his career, content to defend the WBO against sometimes very poor opposition
    2) Ottke. The fact that both Cazlaghe and Ottke had so many defences in the same time period is criminal. Whilst I would take Zags to beat Ottke 99/100 fights, just ask Robin Reid on getting a decision in Germany. Ottke wasn't going to go to UK, Cazlaghe/Warren wouldn't go to Germany. Sad impasse. But highly detracting to both of their legacies
    3) I understand why Joe took the Jones fight (money, Madison Square Garden!), but I think either Froch or Pavlik or Dawson might have done more for his legacy. Calzaghe would have schooled Pavlik in much the same fashion has Hopkins did and got all the plaudits that Bernard did instead. I'd also have taken JC to have beaten both Froch and Dawson in wide UD. All revisionist history of course; Froch might not have went on to have the same resume if he had bean beaten by JC early in his career (see Lacy)

    Bottom line for Calzaghe is his period of reign didn't have enough big names in his division - he just missed Watson/Benn/Collins (although he got Eubank very late), then at the other end of his career, he got Kessler, but missed out on the Super 6 and Froch/Ward.

    His hand issues are well-documented, and caused multiple fights to fall through (espe Glen Johnson).

    All that said, I think he's certainly up there with Lewis as UK's best ever, but his resume and legacy has too many questions to really be at the pinnacle.
     
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  12. Aussie Invader

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    good post.
    joe definitely wanted jones and hopkins on his resume (regardless of when he chose to fight them), but froch just wasn't a player at that time.

    it wasn't until the jermain taylor fight that froch actually graduated to a higher level, and that win was his golden ticket into the SMW tourney.
     
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  13. Aussie Invader

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    see, here's the thing.
    you try so hard to claim you're just being "honest", yet you conveniently and deliberately leave out what preceded both of these incidents.

    the first incident, floyd did nothing wrong.
    the second incident, floyd did nothing wrong.
     
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  14. chacal

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    sometimes there is bit of comment in your hate CJ. No offense, but your comments are better when you are not hating. And that's impossible when you talk about canelo or mayweather. XD
     
  15. northpaw

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    Out of these choices Ali, I never really hear anyone criticizing his record................only the fact that he stayed around too long, and that's not an indictment on his record or choice of opponent.
     
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