Best legacy: Sanders, Byrd, or Peter

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by andrewa1, May 3, 2017.


How do you rank Sanders, Peter, and Byrd in legacy?

  1. 1Sanders2Peter3Byrd

    3 vote(s)
    6.1%
  2. 1Peter2Byrd3Sanders

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  3. 1Byrd2Sander3Peter

    19 vote(s)
    38.8%
  4. 1Sanders2Byrd3Peter

    7 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. 1Peter2Sanders3Byrd

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  6. 1Byrd2Peter3Sanders

    17 vote(s)
    34.7%
  7. Too close to call

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  1. Liquid Fire

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    It wasn't that close. Even with the KD's the 3 judges had WK winning 114-111 & the punch stats show WK out landing him (punches landed) 204 to 100.. Plus Peter should have been deducted for rabbit punching. It was only a year before he lost to Brewster so that is still going to play mentally here too. Steward had only just begun to iron out the style WK would become known for..
     
  2. ForemanJab

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    1. Byrd 2. Sanders 3. Peter
     
  3. Liquid Fire

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    When did that happen?

    Klitschko took some big left hands in the opening round & some nice right hooks in the eight but i never saw a KD or Vitali close to being blasted. Sanders only won round 1 on all 3 scorecards..

    Nearly blasted out? What were you watching? It was rough & tumble & a bit awkward for Vitali at one stage but come on..
     
  4. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I wasn't trying to be rude. I just really don't see any logic in putting Peter or Sanders above Byrd. Not saying Byrd beats either but he is definitely the most accomplished.
     
  5. Liquid Fire

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    What about Nate Tubbs?
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Like I said, to each their own. I think there is certainly a logical position to have Byrd #1, I don't dispute that. But I think there are logical points for the other views as well. They been outlined in other posts, and a healthy number of polled members believe Byrd isn't#1. And based on the comments in the posts, many or most of those who do rank Byrd first at least believe it is close and debatable.
     
  7. Liquid Fire

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    I think HW legacy is forged over time & should not be confined to one win really. I mean Tyson>>Douglas (regardless of the loss) all day for me..
     
  8. andrewa1

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    If Vit doesnt have an ATG chin he goes down in one. The rest of the fight was thrilling. I gave Vit every round but the first one, but many rounds were thrilling.
     
  9. Man_Machine

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    I can imagine a few people might think I'm underrating Peter. But then, I've always felt he was very overrated.

    I suspect where we probably hold a different view is on his first effort against Wlad and, in truth, I think this bout said more about Wlad than it did about Peter. To my mind, Peter's best showed considerable limitations and his subsequent wins over Toney, Maskaev and McCline (all of whom were well past it) didn't really compensate for that, in my view.

    His loss to Chambers seals it for me.
     
  10. andrewa1

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    Obviously Tyson over Douglas. But single great wins are an important part. Or even great losing performances. Without his fights against Ali, Frazier may not be regarded as even a top 25 hw atg today. Imo, Sanders victory, combined with the rest of his career, was sufficient to elevate him very narrowly above the others, as their careers taken at a whole were not sufficient to outweigh his accomplishments. It's a judgement call and invites good discussion and analysis.
     
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  11. Liquid Fire

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    Interesting... What about Brewsters legacy versus Sanders? Klitschko, Golota..
     
  12. Man_Machine

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    Perhaps, but not in the 'face value' sense.

    Byrd's size certainly impacted his style and tactics against the K brothers. Almost entirely defensive, without presenting any real offensive threat, in either case. There's also the fact his best wins were against men closer to his stature (Tua and Holyfield) in which he was more able to land scoring punches in his defensive/counter-offensive style.

    Quite oppositely, Sanders brought a genuine offensive threat to both the brothers, demonstrated in each of the respective bouts in question.

    So, in that way, size does influence my viewpoint.
     
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  13. Man_Machine

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    Sanders presented an offensive threat in every round, but the round in which he was stopped (8). And, that was when the pop in his left hand wasn't there anymore and Vitali realized it.

    Vitali was rarely backed up by any Heavyweight he faced but Sanders was able to back him up and have him on defensive, when ever he launched an assault. Vitali respected Sanders' power, which was evident in the first round. Why else do you think he took as long as he did to get Sanders out of there? - An out-of-shape 38 year old, who had fought less than 5 completed rounds of pro boxing in almost as many years?
     
  14. Liquid Fire

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    Which part of my post are you arguing against exactly?
     
  15. andrewa1

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    Yeah, that's a good point, its definitely debatable. He has a reasonable argument to be included with those three. For me, he's kind of a tweener. He's got a mix of the wrong qualities of Byrd and Sanders. Hes beaten better contenders outside of the K's than Sanders did, but not nearly at the level of Byrd or Peter. He's got the win over a K, but to me it's less like Sanders pure and devastating win, and more like Byrd's fluky win. Wlad was having his way with him until he appeared to gas out. Although, some would argue a punch made Wlad gas, which may be true but it's just not clear to me and either way it wasn't the dominant win Sanders was, and Wlad later crushed him in a rematch.

    So judgement call, I think there is a good argument for either ranking him with these three or for putting him one notch below and I go with option 2.