Best legacy: Sanders, Byrd, or Peter

Ah, you never watched it. Vitali was missing entire combinations of punches throughout the fight.

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That would be factually incorrect. Helenius injured his shoulder prior to Chisora.

"Helenius’s father Karl is quoted today saying in the Helsingen Sanomat saying that his son’s shoulder injury revealed itself six weeks prior to the fight with Chisora, and that the fight taking place when it did was a “major ****-up.”"

Regarding Vitali. In the round he injured his shoulder, he missed a vast majority of his punches pretty wide. Chisora showed good head movement and Vitali had pretty poor timing. If Vitali quit with the less serious shoulder injury in this fight while under pressure, you would have to credit Chisora with the win.

I know you don't watch the fights, but this is the Round where Vitali got injured.

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First half. Ok, Maskaev, Brock, Liakovich, McCline & Kirk Johnson should be acknowledged too here then. Even Toney..

-Maskaev beat Rahman.

-Johnson beat Maskaev & Donald.

-Liakovich beat Brewster in a classic.

-McCline beat Briggs, Grant & a host of contenders.

-Brock beat McCline.

-Toney beat Holy, Rahman, Ruiz, Oquendo.

 

Vitali has a history of shoulder injuries and doesn't throw with the best technique. Chisora employed good head movement that had Vitali reaching and missing multiple power punch attempts in Round 3. Vitali tore a ligament in his shoulder in Round 3.

You can consider all these factors and form a pretty logical conclusion, or you could ignore all these factors and just cry "fluke" every time someone gets hurt as if it's a magical hex that randomly occurs.

What is "slickness" to you? If you define slickness as the ability to make your opponent commit to and miss punches, then you could describe Chisora as being slick in Round 3 of the Vitali fight.

 

One interesting thing about these 3 fighters is Byrd and Peter got more opportunities than Sanders did. For whatever reasons.

 

In fairness, Sanders could've been the one lighting up Lewis in South Africa had he managed to beat Rahman.

 

And if Sanders trained to fight more than 3 rounds he would have beat Rahman. The guy just didn't give himself a chance. Sanders had the ability to be the best HW in the world, he was avoided but he could have forced the issue if he took advantage of his few opportunities. That's what separates him from Byrd.

 

There was no injury. Vitali ha terrible accuracy full stop. He missed 800 punches against Kevin Johnson who was standing in front of him. Was he injured in that fight too?

What point in the round did his shoulder pop? Surely you will be able to see a reaction having sustained such an injury??
In the round? What point?

 

I don't rate fighters on theoretical match ups.

How a Vitali/Byrd rematch would unfold? It depends on the timing. Vitali wasn't really the same after the surgery, he altered his style to preserve his shoulder, started arm punching more with the left. Meanwhile Byrd settled into more of a pocket fighter as he slowed down with age.

So I don't think we would see a carbon copy of the original fight.

It wasn't an identical injury. Vitali suffered a torn rotator cuff against Byrd that required surgery. As I already stated, he suffered a torn ligament against Chisora that required no surgery.

Why would I think that?

 

Bingo..

 

As I stated, my position is not rooted in theoretical match ups. So there's not a single answer to your question that contradicts my position.

I didn't answer your question in the manner you wanted because you wanted to orchestrate me into saying one of two things. 1. Vitali will injure his shoulder in a rematch. 2. Vitali will not injure his shoulder in a rematch.

Rather than tie myself down to your two options, I considered what I believe to be more relevant probabilities. As I stated, I don't believe it will be a carbon copy of the first match as both men evolved quite a bit, so timing is a key in theorizing this.