Best middleweight of all time ?

I agree with this and personally, I don't rate Hopkins all that highly H2H at middleweight. I think he could be outboxed by better technicians and fall short physically against some of the faster middleweights. It kind of leaves him limited as to who he would beat because pretty much everyone in the top 10 all-time were either very good technically or would present Hopkins problems due to their speed, which I think was a major issue for him.

 

I think you both under-estimate the size of Hopkins which is a major advantage for him in most of these H2H matchups. We have a close to 180lb Bernard Hopkins, fighting guys the size of Robinson. (Who I think he'd beat. Shock horror.)

Foot speed. Hopkins footspeed was always under-rated. I've seldom seen him out-manouvered. Only by DLH for about 4 rounds. 'Nard then adjusted, closed the distance and fought his fight. He may have slower hands than guys like Jones, but do you think Hopkins would try to fight a fight where that is a factor?

You mention speedsters. I hope nobody is thinking that a 160lb RJJ beats a prime Hopkins. Wouldn't happen. That Jones is too green, and he would make mistakes. If you make mistakes, there are three guys of the era just gone who you wouldn't want to be in with. Marquez, Mayweather, and Hopkins.

I really think that Hopkins is the superior ring general to a vast number of ATG MW's, and that allows him to beat them. The fight would be fought on Hopkins terms.

I have him beating Robinson, I really do. I think Monzon out points him, and Hagler wins if he manages to keep his head screwed on. Greb, I'm not qualified to comment, and thus; won't do so.

 

Great post, it always makes me laugh when people start with the 'trouble with fast fighters' nonsense.

 

Monzon

 

Robinson
Monzon
Hagler
Burley
Greb

A bunch of others, like Hopkins, Tiger, Fullmer, etc are pretty interchangeable with Burley and Greb (who's lower for me because most of his best wins came at LHW) though, IMO. Top 4 are bunched up pretty close together. On a head to head basis, Jones might be up there too, but his resume isn't up to snuff.

 

I am more interested in finding out whos the best MW today
and i think that is hardhitter Golovkin, Watch him on HBO 1.september
Sturm and Pirog dont want to fight him

 

in no particular order

Sugar Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon
Stanley Ketchel
Harry Greb
Bernard Hopkins

 

I've heard stories to the effect that Flowers and Greb were victims of robberies in one fight apiece, and that the second fight was a close fight that could have been scored either way. In any event, Flowers showed he could hang with Greb and Walker (as well as a lot of other very good middleweights and light heavyweights), so he deserves credit for that, imo.

For that matter, Les Darcy deserves credit as well for the work he did at 160lbs in the year or two before his death. Had he lived, it's safe to say that he and Greb would almost certainly have stepped inside the ring at some point and produced the type of breath taking war that would have been talked about in whispered tones for ages.

 

You have to compare apples to apples. If BHop had to have the weigh in on the day of the fight, like the old time fighters, he could never weigh 180 on fight night. Either he would have been a light heavyweight back then, or would have had to maintain a slimmer frame, negating any size advantage you are mentioning.

 

this is on point

 

Yes Sir, assuming we give the rule set advantage to the old timers.

Hopkins beats Joey Maxim, I'll tell you that for nothing.

 

The guy in your avater is the best MW ever caught on film, the version that TKO`d Lamotta beats any MW I`ve ever seen.

Ps. Andre Ward ain`t near that level & I doubt he`ll ever get close.

 

roy beats any middleweight ever. therefor he is the one.

 

Outside of beating Hopkins, he never did much at the weight... I thought he looked better at SMW & LHW.... he certainly never showed me anywhere near enough to give him the nod over someone like the best MW version of Sugar Ray Robinson for eg.