Best middleweight prospect right now???

Grzegorz Proksa, Andy Lee, Peter Quillin.

 

I,too,find it quite hilarious that Lee-because he is Irish,and because he fights out of the USA,and because he is member of Emanuel Stewards' gym-gets so much hype.Lee was not that outstanding at the amateurs.He was no match for the real top guns then.However,he fights at the pros now,and all of a sudden he seems to be the new messiah and saviour of his weight division.Ridiculous!
Golovkin was head and shoulders above Lee at the amateurs,and he has been matched much tougher than Lee at the pros up to now.
A pity that Golovkin has the wrong passport and nationality!

 

Andy Lee?????

Golovkin took him apart in the 2003 WC in Bangkok....

 

I'll take a fighter who fights outside the USA and is not protected over a better, protected fighter any day.

 

I have nothing against the USA.But whenever a decent fighter is based over there in the USA it turns him-almost automatically-into a top prospect.
Andy Lee is a very decent fighter.However,Golovkin has been matched much tougher than him so far,and the Kazahk fighter was head and shoulders above Lee at the amateurs.
The Irish fighter couldnt hold a candle to Golovkin then.

 

I don't know why people keep on making such a big deal about who beat who in the amateurs. Andy Lee was 19 when he lost to a 21 year old Golovkin in the amateurs in 2003, they were simply at different stages in terms of development and experience when they met.

Remember Taylor went on and on about how he had easily handled Pavlik in the amateurs, and look at what that counted for in the end. TKO7 Pavlik.

I'm not saying that Lee is better than Golovkin or vice versa, I'm just saying don't put too much stock in amateur matches - it's basically a different sport from pro boxing.

Maybe Golovkin is a super prospect and better than the rest. I'm very curious to see him in action so I can guage for myself. But I am kinda getting a sense of deja vu. A central Asian fighter with a great offensive arsenal and loads of power but with liabilities on defense. Where have I heard this beore? Oh yeah, KID DIAMOND! How did that work out?

 

pavlik was 17 to taylors 21.

 

So what do you think is the better argument?
1. They already fought and he beat Lee easily.
2. Golovkin doesn't train and fight in the USA and doesn't have an American trainer so that automatically makes him an overprotected bum with a padded record.

 

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

 

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

 

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

 

You are entitled to your opinion,immortal!
You made some good points.However,I disagree with you on some points.
Pro boxing is basically a different sport from pro boxing?
I dont deny that pro boxing and amateur boxing differ in some important areas.Nevertheless they have so many things in common.Most of the great amateurs are also great pros.
And a ko is a ko whether it happened at the amateurs or at the pros,and a lesson in boxing is a lesson in boxing whether it happened at the pros or at the amateurs.
Amateur boxing is no girl's game at all.Despite wearing headgear you are in a real fight.Of course pro boxing is more brutal to a certain extent,but on the other hand competition at the amateurs is much fiercer than at the pros.
As a good amateur you cant avoid facing the best amateur fighters this planet can offer whereas at the paid ranks most of the time you as a pro fighter will face overmatched journeyman.Money is the name of this game!
Besides there are other factors which have nothing to do with a fighter's ability to win a fight inside a ring which determine his markebility and further career.
TV exposure,the right passport,the right nationality,a powerful American,British,or German promoter,a capable manager,luck,markebility,sold tickets,and so on and so on are truly imporant at the pros.
The amateur sport is more honest in the sense that even fighters from very poor nations have a decent chance to shine at the amateurs and win a medal.
I love the pro sport,and I am not naive.I have no doubt that Golovkin is better than Lee.
Golovkin was a great amateur-far more successful than Lee.
However,at the pros Lee 's position is a better one due to aformentioned factors which are all in favour of a white Irish fighter who can speak English fluently and who can be easily sold to the American market.
Nevertheless it doesnt mean that Lee is the better fighter-he is better marketable than Golovkin.I am positive that Golovkin would beat Lee again at the pros,but I dont think that this fight will ever come off.

 

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wtf, odo?

but you are right: a KO is a KO...is a KO...

 

It is ,tom!

Some people tend to think that the amateurs fight like little girls in a playground.They are wrong!

Solis is a good example! He beat the **** out of Sidon in his pro debut.
Sidon was an experienced pro who had shared the ring with lots of known names in his long pro box and thai box career.Nevertheless the green and inexperiecend Solis who had just turned pro knocked him out.
I have seen dozens of amateur fights which were tougher and fiercer than a most of the pro fights I have seen.Head gear is a nice thing,but you fight for real inside a box ring whether you are an amateur or a pro.
And nobody can deny that a top amateur more frequently faces top opposition at the amateurs than a top pro at the paid ranks-this is especially true for the heavyweights.
You have to beat top fellow amateurs to win a medal at an olympic tournament or a world championchip whereas at the pros even a limited heavy like Shannon Briggs who had only defeated a bunch of no-hopers before got a title shot.