Best MW post-Hagler, pre-Hopkins?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who do you think was the best MW during this period (ca 1987-1994) and why?
     
  2. horst

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    H2H you'd probably have to give it to RJJ, but in terms of their wins and performances at the weight I'd go with Sumbu Kalambay.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with the first one, but I think Kalambay's claim is hurt by his KO loss to Nunn. It's the most damaging loss any of the candidates have to each other.

    That he looked the better over his two fights with McCallum is huge, though. Especially since I think that McCallum was the better over his two fights with Toney at MW.
     
  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think most would have RJJ as the best h2h. The others were very complete fighters, but Jones was just so sickeningly fast. Nunn could perhaps present him with some problems and McClellan could certainly ice him if he became too careless, but it wouldn't surprise me if he had gone 5-0 against these guys.

    As for record, it's very much how one views the Toney-McCallum fights at MW. If one agree with the judges, then Toney got the better of both McCallum and Nunn and that would probably give him the edge overall. But if one believes, like I and many others do, that McCallum clearly won the rematch, then he starts to look good for the being the best out of this bunch. But there's still the little matter of Kalambay looking better in his two fights with McCallum...
     
  6. FAT_TONEY

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    Hagler himself stated that Toney was the best MW champ to come after him.

    For me, Toney clearly won the first fight with McCallum - it was still somewhat close but not 'draw or could've gone either way' close - Toney won this.
    The rematch I don't know - McCallum made the right adjustements, both men were brilliant, it's a tough fight to score. A draw would've been in order I guess?
     
  7. Bokaj

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    It's just baffling to me how anyone could score it as anything but a McCallum win.
     
  8. FAT_TONEY

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    Well maybe McCallum should've won a razor-thin decision. Only maybe.
    If anything, this is not a clear fight to score, with no clear winner. To me at least.
     
  9. horst

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    I agree, Toney won the 1st fight. Toney is one of my four favourite ever fighters, but stylistically I think Kalambay would've edged him, that's one of the main reasons I have Kalambay 1st and Toney 2nd here (mw career-wise I mean, if we're talking purely h2h I still say RJJ)
     
  10. atberry

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    Nunn was unreal against Frank Tate, barely put a foot wrong. I love Eubank's attack angles against Benn and Watson. Kalambay beating Graham and McCallum was ill, both upsets and he countered both to bits. Roy Jones wasn't that impressive against Castro or Hopkins.
     
  11. Bokaj

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    He beat him far more convincingly than Eubank ever beat Benn or Watson. He controlled just about every second of that fight.
     
  12. Body Head

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    There aren't many fighters that looked impressive against those two...but Roy Jones did look the best against those two than any other fighter they faced.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    As I said before, I think this fight could be scored in several different ways. McCallum controlled the tempo for the most part and landed far more blows, but Toney landed the really telling blows; he rocked Mike several times and even hurt him without never really being hurt himself. So it depends on how you value ring generalship and consistent work compared to being sporadically effective, but being very effective at these instances.

    Personally, I think both views have their merit. But those who score this fight for Toney should also score Norton the winner over Holmes.
     
  14. horst

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    Roy Jones's performance against Thomas Tate must also be taken into consideration here guys, not just Jones-Castro and Jones-Hopkins.

    Jones stopped Tate in the 2nd in '94, and it remains the only time he was ever stopped, despite fighting on until 2002 by which time he was 37. A prime Julian Jackson couldn't stop Tate in 12 rounds, yet Jones done it in 2. That's pretty formidable evidence of Jones's prowess at 160 IMO.
     
  15. horst

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    Every time I watch that fight, I score it for Toney. I don't have much else to say on the subject. I go with Toney, I feel he won that fight.