Best of all time: Pound for Pound

Who has Floyd Mayweather in their top 5? Top 10 even?

Name and shame please

 

Ali didn't duck and dive his way through his career, get off that ****. I know everybody here loves to argue with everyone, but I was quite clearly talking about those idiots who mentioned Floyd Mayweather Jr in the top 5 of all time.

Robinson has over 200 fights, and widely regarded as the greatest ever by many credible sources.

You know the score, my whole point was that Mayweather Jr has absolutely no business being among the top 10 greatest of all time. End of story.

 

For one, head to head ability. I rank him as the best LW, head to head, ever. I'll go one by one throughout any matchup with you, including Duran, which me and Robbi have argued time and again with Manassa and Stonehands.

His career at LW is top 5. His head to head ability as well, easily. Then comes the fact that he ducked NOONE, which is hard for any fighter of any era, especially someone like Floyd today. He moved up to WW, won the title, and defended it 7 times(after winning the 140 pound title and moving up, that is) past his best weight. Was the best P4P fighter in the world for a stretch of a few years(longer than Ring had him in actuality). He also moved up to 154 and beat Vasquez handily. The same Vasquez on video in another thread that dominated Winky Wright.

I think why I rate him so highly though is simply his in-ring performance, which factors a lot into it, not just resume. His performances against fellow ATG's like Chavez and Nelson. His masterclass boxing performances. In reality, why the hell is Pep ranked so highly if not for the same exact reasons? Pep's resume is nowhere near that of a Langford, Robinson, Charles, etc. So if historians with old-timer glasses on can do it for Pep, why can I not do the same for Pea?

 

What the ****s your point dumbass?

We wouldn't be seriously making him out as a top 10 ATG

 

No need for that its the truth

 

That's why he should be top 20 or higher, for the reasons outlined above. People don't rank him higher because they don't take the time to go over his career it seems. They rate Pep based on ability and a very good resume, and can't do the same for Pea.

He beats Duran because of his ability to box off the backfoot. If Duran ever showed susceptibility to a style, it was a slick boxer/mover. Of course, people will say that was at higher weights. Against Leonard, he was damn near prime, and looked marvelous in the first fight. Either way, wasn't at his best for the rematch, I know. Still, watch his gameplan in the rematch, the same as in the first fight. Only difference is, Leonard moved, instead of staying flat-footed. Benitez implied a stick, move, and box strategy to the tee on Duran. Pea, at LW, faces a better Duran, but still one that does not work as well when faced with a mover, especially one with a great jab that pumps out at a high rate.

My thinking is, and I am convinced, that Whitaker's jab, defense, and ability to box off the backfoot offset Duran because he will get frustrated eventually by having to stay on the move and find his opponent. Also, Pea's jab(as well as following straight lefts, counters, etc) will be a constant, which will not only force Duran to move, but to deal with it.

Pea holds the big advantage on the outside, Duran holds the advantage on the inside(Pea is equally as crafty, Duran is more powerful and ferocious), but Pea's speciality of boxing off the backfoot against pressure fighters, combined with Duran's problems with boxer/movers, gives Pea the clear edge in my book.

 

Jones is top 30. Floyd is top 50, arguably top 40. Hopkins is top 50. All are top 50 that you mentioned. Modern fighters are capable of being top ATG's, fact is, none have been. Jones had the potential, but didn't take enough risks.

 

You're asking for all of this from his career?

Very best: Against fellow ATG Azumah Nelson. Also, his rematch with Jose Luis Ramirez, after getting robbed terribly in the first fight.

Overcoming adversity: When clearly slowing down at that stage of his career, after being outboxed for the good part of 9 rounds and looking like he's about to be upset, he lands a huge left hand on Hurtado and follows it up with left after left, brutally KO'ing him. Showing that when the game is on the line, he will deliver, even when it means changing it up, pressing the fight, and going all out for the KO.

Devastating loss: Well, I guess you would have to say Tito, since it was his only real loss. A shot, crack headed Pea facing a bigger, prime Trinidad. None of his old reflexes or speed, had to rely on experience and fighter's spirit. Was even through 7 rounds as well, outfighting Tito on the inside. From about the 8th round on, it became clear he just couldn't do it anymore, and started to slow to the point he was out of the fight by the end of it, taking a decent beating, but still surviving, and fighting.

I don't think you can ask for a bigger heart or a tougher fighter, a rare find with someone of his immense ability and boxing skills.