I was just trying to say tha Solis was great as nobdoy had mentioned him yet I wasn't trying to diss Savon. Solis also has wins over David Haye and Ibragimov who have done well as pro's.
Savon is certainly the best 201 lbs pounder (he was 1-1 against Chagev, lost in Plovdiv, won in Houston , a third fight was No Contest). SolĂs is second (2-1 against an old Savon). Best overall: Lennox, Wladimir was near invincible as a super heavy , his losses were at 201lbs, only had problems with ClayBey.
Chagaev defeated him at his first and second fights. First fight was not counted just after one year, because he had 2 fights in profis. He lost his third fight in Houston.
Stevenson was the most profesional amatuer in the S Heavy class, I liked LEWIS WHEN HE BEAT BOWE BUT WAS NOT IN STEVENSON LEVEL at that time, Frazier was strong and Foreman real Strong but wide swinging,Savon was good but 201, did not have Stevensons complete power but Savbon was strong(look at his Ko over Tua in 1)....Stevenson, Lewis,Foreman,Savon,Frazier,Povetkin,Vlad,Audley, its hard to say but Audleys last
He wasnt even a truly dominating force at the amteurs either.More like a fool who finds gold in his first try,and then keeps feeding on that first successful try. Savon,Stevensen,Povetkin,and so on were amateur superstars,true legends who were able to dominate their rivals for quite a long time. This cant be said about Audley.Thats for sure! He has never played in the top of the first division neither in the amateurs nor in the pros.
Teofilo Stevenson & Felix Savon would beat all those fighters just mentioned. both have 3 consecutive gold medals.
There's a reason why people are saying Povetkin. 7 defeats in the amateurs in something like 230 fights. And he avenged ALL of those defeats. I don't know personally. It's a really class lineup there.
Thats because they had no other choice but to stay in amatuers. Povetkin started his carreer from a pro kick-boxing title, completely and without a shred of doubt dominated amatuer super-heavy for as a long as he was fighting, and now showing that he is at least a decent pro. It is too early to compare life-time achievements, but if Povetkin wins pro titles, I would rate him above the cubans. Having seen plenty of tapes of those mentioned - I would actually give it to Povetkin under amateur rules - he was not as pretty or flashy, but 100% effective.
No, it is not. Cassius Clay was a light heavyweight. Heavyweight champ in 1960 was Francsco Di Picolli.
Wikipedia asserts that he lost 22 and won 302. (Compare to Povetkin who started boxing at 20, when Stevenson already got his first gold, had an even better 125 - 7 win ratio - and that is without the benefit of beeing able to beat up on twice younger competitors while beeing trained at pro level). Not that there is much doubt that Stevenson is probably the best amatuer ever, considering his lifetime achievement.. But head to head I would favor the new guy - especially so if under modern rules. Balado - maybe, too bad he died at 25.. (and, hey, he lost to Larry Donald and Golota. )