Best p4p fighter since prime Pac/Mayweather? Poll Included

Nice try ! he also beat canelo twice btw

 

You do that to try and **** on Pac for losing those three fights. As if anyone who lost those three should be crapped on.

 

You keep saying this like Erik Morales was just some chump. So he was past his prime. Was he shot??? No. Is he one of the best at 122-126? Yep. He came back years later almost beat Maidana and Danny Garcia in a weight class he had no business in.

 

When people try to compare pac with pbf you will bring up failures that's the way it works. You can't gloss over them and act like the failures didn't happen.

 

He lost to a nobody in Zahir Raheem before losing to pac in the rematch he was clearly done as a top fighter. He was busted for roids when he had the late career resurgence and still lost most of those fights. He went 4-5 after losing to pac in the rematch until he finally retired.

 

It's a failure?? Pac beat Morales TWICE. He beat JMM as well. And yes, he did lose a fight in those 6 combined fights against two of the best ever Mexican fighters.

 

Yeah, Erik morales moved up in weight and it backfired. So?? Obviously 135 was too much for Morales who looked hella soft in the middle, went back to 130 after. So????

 

He beat a faded erik Morales 2x and lost to a faded erik Morales in the first fight. He never really beat jmm clearly and got ktfo by him that's the reason why people say jmm won the war between the two.

 

People say the same about Ali and Norton. Are you saying that his wins over JMM shouldn't count? He beat him well enough and it should still count as a great win on his resume, much like when Canelo beat GGG.

What exactly makes Morales considered "faded"? Just because he lost to Barrera twice narrowly? Many fighters have beaten other greats that went through the same timeline. People praised Salvador Sanchez when he beat Danny Lopez who had been through countless wars. Or when Azumah Nelson KO'd Wilfredo Gomez after he went through tough fights. Or how about when Tyson and Holyfield beat Holmes, those were counted as great wins. I can go on.

I think you're just finding ways to denigrate Pac's wins over JMM and Morales. He lost to an ATG and beat an ATG that's what matters and you can't take it away from him.

 

Plenty think he beat JMM at least once. So what he was KO'd, that doesn't erase wins. LIke I said, no shame losing to Morales or JMM, no matter how much you think that hurts Pac.

 

His wins over jmm count I'm saying he didn't beat him clearly and jmm got the most decisive win of the 4. Which is why people say he won the war.

Morales was clearly faded in the pac rematch he never again beat a fighter of note and got busted for roids it couldn't be any more clear. Morales didn't look good in the pac rematch it was sad to watch a warrior who couldn't do it anymore too much punishment he looked like **** in the Raheem fight previously as well. The 3rd fight was a cruel joke and not even worth mentioning.

 

Lopez and Gomez never beat a fighter of note after they got beat as well. We'll agree to disagree on the subject of Morales. He showed that he still had some fight left in him when he nearly beat Maidana (which I thought he could have won) and also made a good account of himself against Danny Garcia in the first fight.

 

Back to the topic at hand. Could it be possible that Ward could actually be rated higher than Usyk based on his wins over Mikkel Kessler, Carlo Froch, and Sergey Kovalev all who I think are future HOFers? That could change drastically if Usyk manages to fight and potentially beat Fury in the future.