Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Flo_Raiden, Dec 17, 2015.
Lennox Lewis against Evander Holyfield the first time.
Dave Tiberi against James Toney.
Great post man.
I agree. I think Luis was an all time great and would pick him over Leonard or Mayweather 10 xs out of 10. He would give Robinson hell.
There’s very few in history I’d favor over the best of Luis at 147 or 160. Personally the only fight I’ve seen of him that I feel he lost was the Nino fight and he was shopworn and ahead by some distance in that one too.
I’ve always been curious to see the Cokes fights.
Rodriguez-Leonard is tough to call as is Napoles but I think he’s at least on level terms with both.
I always thought Whitaker's performance against Ramirez 1 was a good performance as well, even though people would disagree about that fight being considered a robbery.
Tyson Fury arguably gave one of his best showing against Wilder, only to have the 2 KDs turn the fight into a draw.
Ernesto Marcel vs Kuniaki Shibata deserves a mention. That was a great boxing performance by Marcel and they completely robbed him blind. Thanks to this fight I’m only now starting to watch more of Marcel and witnessing the brilliant skills of this man. I can’t believe I overlooked this guy.
The angriest I've ever been watching a fight where someone got robbed was Carl Williams outboxing Larry Holmes and getting the obvious screwgie. Williams fought an incredible fight throughout.
Very good call. Sergio Martinez is one of the few men to knock the other guy out and not walk away with the W that night. Abhorrent officiating between the ref reversing his call and the judges somehow still not giving Martinez the win.
Byrd v Oquendo
2nd best FW ever IMO, after Armstrong.
Duran vs Hagler; this is one of the fights which really cemented Duran as the best ever. Sure, he lost clearly, but he had no right to give Hagler such fits and hi the distance with what is IMO the best middleweight ever, on film. One of my favourite fights, due to the combined level of skill. Duran's strategy was absolutely fantastic and the fight doesn't get enough mention IMO, when people talk about classy fights like Curry-Starling or McCallum-Toney, etc.
Harada vs Famechon; Absolutely abysmal robbery. Literally the worst I've ever seen. I had Harada winning by ELEVEN points, and Pep was counting KDs for Johnny which were slips, and slips for Harada which were KDs. If Harada would have won, which he should have, he'd have been the only man to ever win the flyweight, bantamweight and featherweight titles. Not to mention being known as a great fighter at featherweight, where he beat Famechon more easily than Saldivar.
Castillo vs Rose; I had Castillo winning this 9-6, with the KD. While I had the Mexican winning by two rounds, I did feel like it was an either way type of fight where anybody could have taken it. It was an extremely high skill level fight, and Castillo showed how good a fighter he was yet again, I reckon that he's one of the five best BWs ever H2H. Brilliant little fighter with a great resume. On my card, his resume should read: Olivares, Rose, Pimental, Herrera, Medel, Cruz and Caraballo. Great, great record, and a great great fight.
Laguna vs Saldivar; another one of those fights which could go either way, and I had the loser edging. Most people at the time I agree with me on that, too. Laguna showed he was a real force to be reckoned with below 135, as well as the weight where he flummoxed Ortiz. I really enjoyed his style in this one, and he showed he was good enough to out-box Saldivar over long stretches. I didn't even think it was possible.
Other great picks which have already been mentioned are: Marcel vs Shibata, Nelson vs Fenech, Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez, Chang vs Zapata etc.
Ryder vs Smith
agreed! I am a huge fan of the professor and 1 this card stole the show (I think Tyson vs Ruddock 2??). I had Jeff winning a wide decision. I have rewatched it and think Nelson does some great unappreciated work with his back to the ropes and his defense, heart and counter punching is top notch perhaps as good as ever...I do t see it as a wide win anymore but still hard for me to see Fenech get a draw in this fight.
If anyone hasn't seen this fight, it is a treat. The video is absolutely pristine. Hard to believe it is over 50 years old, but the decision is atrocious. This is what I wrote when I scored it.
Round 1: 5-4 Amaya
Round 2: 5-4 Amaya
Round 3: 5-4 Amaya
Round 4: 5-4 Amaya
Round 5: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 6: 5-4 Amaya
Round 7: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 8: 5-4 Kobayashi
Round 9: 5-4 Amaya
Round 10: 5-4 Amaya
Round 11: 5-4 Amaya
Round 12: 5-4 Amaya
Round 13: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 14: 5-4 Kobayshi
Round 15: 5-4 Amaya
Total: 70-65 Amaya (actual scores: 72-71 and 72-69 both for Kobayashi and a score of 74-72 for Amaya)
Hard to believe for me that Kobayshi retained his title on a 15 round split decision, which I felt was deplorable. Amaya, who fights like Laguna or Luis Rodriguez, really controlled the fight whereas Kobayshi only fought in spurts. And to tell you the truth, I think I gave Hiroshi the 5th and 7th out of pity. I really think they were more even rounds. But Kobayshi benefitted from 3 Japanese judges rather than neutral judges (the one judge who voted for Amaya scored it 3-1-11 in rounds. How's that for fence-sitting?). IMO, Amaya was robbed blind.