Best pure boxer of the last 40 years

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    I remember when Camacho came on the scene, had a book with about 20 expert opinons on him. One said he was a cross between Wille Pep and some other notable :lol:

    But yes, pre Rosario he looked incredible at times, so much speed and smoothness. Another of the endless who didn't quite reach the heights we hoped. As for Red's ratings, well he just goes berko over the 80's middleweights that most don't even know of now. Quite amusing tho. Davidson, Animarl, Green, Lee, the list goes on and on.
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What seems to be in your opinion is actually correct. Remember, this thread is about the best pure boxer and for most observers here it may be beyond the scope of their physical senses to perceive. I could tell for the most part how one fighter could do against another and even by the margin by which he could win. Muhammud Ali also had this ability and early in his career would call the round his opponent would go down (he was amazingly accurate)

    In the end, Camacho really was the best. Putting another boxer in the ring with him the odds are 100% that Hector would win every time. Everything would be in his favor-the fact that he was a southpaw, his chin, his ability to get in a score more quickly than his opponent. With his speed, the other boxers would totally be baffled as was Howard Davis, the olympic gold medalist. Howard always made it close.

    I thought he actually beat Rosario. Howard outboxed and outscored Rosario but no one likes to talk about it because it puts Howard and Hector Camacho in a much better light. The way I look at it, one punch at the end of the fight cannot make up for 9 of the previous lost rounds.

    Howard also proved the experts wrong when he held another speedster, Meldrick Taylor, yet another gold medalist, to a draw. So one cannot simply say Howard was grade B opponent or past his prime. Since this was the case that makes Hector Camacho's win over Davis that much more impressive. Howard couldnt lay a glove on Hector who was still the fastest, most elusive boxer alive. Howard must have felt as though he were dealing with two different opponents at the same time. This is why neither Greg Haugen nor Julio Chavez would dare to enter the ring and risk thieeir careers with against this unbeatable opponent. Hector was clearly the best p4p fighter of 1987.

    Head to head, Camacho beats them all and that makes him to this day the best pure boxer of the last 40 years and counting.
     
  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    message to Sweet Pea: here's a guy who knows his #*%. Had you been around like SalSanchezfan and me you would have caught on to this.
     
  4. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But you weren't the one who brought it up. Stop pretending you bullshitter. :D
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unfortunately I haven't seen the likes of Hard Rock Green and Frank the Animal Fletcher to know just how absurd his praise of them is. :D Certainly sounds like funny stuff tho.

    As for Hector, yeah he fell short of hefty expectations. Fighters like Willie Pep and that other notable ;) only come around very rarely.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Just look at their measely records :lol:

    I have a couple of pictures of Animarl, he's lying prone, utterly facefirst with blood stains on the canvas all around him against Roldan and you can see Bo Derek at ringside, hands up to her face and a look of absolute horror that's better than any she ever put on in her movies. Totally priceless picture and moment in time.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:

    Why don't you tell the good folk of ESB how many fights Taylor had behind him when going into the Davis fight?

    You could also tell them he was beaten and dropped twice by the most ordinary Joe Manley the year before. How come Macho couldn't drop him given his dominance? Feather fists?

    Yes, he really showed them what havoc he could cause when losing to both :lol:
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ^ Camacho without speed is like Ali without speed and they become perpetual losers. In his prime the difference Hector's speed would be too much for any of them.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Ali kept winning thru sheer heart, will, durability and determination, the very things that stopped Camacho becoming and ATG.
     
  10. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't Howard have the flu for the Camacho fight?
     
  11. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Leonard was a great boxer but he was getting out boxed by Hearns who had it all speed, jab, accuracy could fight forward and backwards he is my choice for the best pure boxer in the last 40 years.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    And he also outboxed another pure boxer in Benitez.

    Tommy is my absolute fave but let me cast this aside for a minute.

    I think "most effective boxer" fits Tommy more than "pure". A SRL moved (especially laterally) and boxed more fluidly even if Tommy did outbox him. Napoled i would call "pure". SRL too. Tommy could be ungainly at times much like a young colt. The way a Leonard outboxed a Hagler against the odds had to be seen to be believed. It's of course a credit to Hearns he could outbox such a smooth resourceful foe with his own skillset and nuances.

    Tommy - "Most effective"

    Leonard, Napoles etc most "pure".
     
  13. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...............Merely offhand, I'd say Napoles. As I mentioned in a post in some other thread, his style demanded more skill than many boxers, because he was that rarest of birds; an aggressive counterpuncher. By definition then, he had to be right there in your wheelhouse and still look polished. Being always in harm's way and still looking untouchable as he did most of the time demands something extra. He was as polished a fighter as I've ever seen.
     
  14. Robbi

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    Camacho was head and shoulders above them all. Leonard, Hearns and Napoles aint in the same league as him.

    Nobody was as "pure" as Camacho. Perhaps among the best ever, including Robinson.
     
  15. salsanchezfan

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    ........:blood