Best pure boxer of the last 40 years

I think his swollen shut eye would beg to differ. All this proves he wasn't able to hit a moving target. I don't feel this was particularly very impressive and with his own trainer yelling at him in the corner, well I fail to see how Sugar Ray Leonard could even be close to what you have claimed. :smoke

I also don't see how Norris with his movement should be considered any different than what Hearns did with him, keeping him off balance from different angles. Norris actually boxed better than Tommy because his counter attack was so much more diverse than Tommy's. So Terry would have enjoyed much more success than Tommy and without his fatal weaknesses, would have certainly gained the decision in convincing fashion.

As for the Hagler fight, I don't believe getting a split decision is at all indicative of having the other fighter in their 'pocket'. :nono

That term can only be described when discussing a mismatch on the magnitude of Norris-Leonard. :yep

i have proved my point. Sadly though, you haven't. keep trying and perhaps you will attain the level of success I have achieved on this forum.

 

Got no answer yet, hmm?

 

What does that have to do with Leonard's legs? leonard's never been good with other boxers.

yeah I see what you mean. That Benitez was a real terror! Especially in his fights with Hamsho and Hilton.

yeah well you're a moron so what else is new?

 

You did not prove your point-that is the problem. I am far convinced and no, Terry Norris would not have had his ass handed to him against an anemic 145 pound hitman. Against a 154 pound hitman maybe.

And no, Robinson would not have had the major problems that Leonard had with Tommy. This fight would not have gone beyond ten rounds (at the most)

The REAL Sugar Ray would have gotten in on him sooner and never let him off the hook the way an incompetent leonard showed. How could anyone have been impressed with that showing?


Furhtermore, Leonard did not beat a shot Hagler. Too many rounds were undecisive including the first and third, the 7th in which Leonard struck well after the bell. I don't give rounds to someone for punching after the bell the way you do or the way leonard fans would be expected to out of sheer desperation. I take rounds for illegal tactics.

I also took the 4th from him for groin punching which also goes unmentioned by leonard fans. Because of this, this only widens Hagler's lead.

And please try not to feel too much anguish over the way Norris whipped Sugar ray. Don't hold it against Terry because his fights are non controversial, because he requires no aid from the judges. Forgive Terry Norris for the way he defeated a 3-1 favorite whom no expert would pick against. Look at me, I sleep well at nights even though Norris effortlessly destroyed a legend without working up a sweat. Nobody likes what happened that night but we must move on with our lives.

And like it or not, we must all accept the fact that hector Camacho, the fastest fighter who ever lived, along with Roy Jones, is the finest boxer of the last 40 years.

 

I fail to see this if past their prime welters, took Tommy the distance. Harold Weston was still erect if I recall, victim of a thumbing. You're living in a fantasy world.

Hagler was shot. You're talking to someone who saw him two weeks previous in sparring sessions. Leonard on the other hand showed no signs of slowing in uno mas, one of his most convincing performances and for once did not get himself into trouble or on the canvas or need to catch up like he did in the Hearns fight. His problem is he never learned how to cope with a boxer like Norris. If Ray was shot by your reckoning then how could a shot fighter be as mobile as he was for 12 rounds? I have asked this question repeatedly and everyone keeps ducking the question. COuld you try to answer it this time?

What about it? He was shot. The Santana trilogy took everything out of him.

Excuse me but Leonard himself was the one responsible for making this fight. What was he doing making a fight he couldnt make weight for? Don't you think you are going too far out of the way for him this time with the excuses? This is hardly a legitimate excuse as one would expect for say Roberto Duran taking off 40+ pounds in defense of his title. It's no wonder I see things differently-who wouldn't?

As i said before when you take Ray Leonard's side one must always fabricate and become more and more inventive to make up for his many failings.

Like him or not we all must give the man his due. He was a great champion you cant take that away from him. His southpaw style, unparalled hand and footspeed, ghetto toughness and grit, not to mention, granite chin make young Camacho more than a match for any of his protoges who came after him. I admit Floyd is a superstar by today's standards but not at Camacho's level-not yet at least.

 

get that banana out of your mouth

 

^ pretty slick. When he gets stumped by a question he asks a question of his own.