Best Smaller Fighters Ever: just by HEIGHT.

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My interpretation is which fighter under the specified heights would beat any other fighter, regardless of weight. i.e. in the case of a <5ft 4ins, the WW BJW is likely to beat any Flyweight in history as he's much bigger, if not taller.

    I'm sure OP will correct me if I've misunderstood.
     
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  2. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    True, Walcott was a literal 5'1 tank
     
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  3. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Thanks good names!
    But the question is can guys wo are champs or ATGs hang with those who may not have been as good p4p, but were bulker & stronger thus maybe better in an absolute sense.
    Remember those who are on the bubbles I listed, say 5'4" are in the height category above-unless as is often the case their height is overstated, I am saying the divisions go by a ~ 2" range UNDER 5'4", 5'6", 5'8", + 5'10".


    I am editing to add one under 5'2"! :roto2cafe:
     
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  4. Philly161

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    under 5' 6" - Dwight Qawi
     
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  5. janitor

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    Barbados Joe Walcott and Sam Langford are two no brainers.

    They were one off freaks in the history of the sport , in this regard.
     
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  6. janitor

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    One guy who would punch well above his height in this respect , is Turkey Thompson.
     
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  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You got it exactly right, except I was not saying relative to their era, but just like considering only height not weight, in absolute terms in a theoretical neutral rules environment!

    Also yes per these divisions; but some are missing that I am saying UNDER the numbers listed.
    With the caveat that some listed on the bubble are actually shorter, so IF really let us say at least a 1/2" under 5'2" (added that category), 4", 6", 8", 10"...
    They qualify!

    Now D.W.Q. is listed everywhere from 5'5" to almost 5'7" (a Google search revealed that comment on this website/forum.
    So it makes a big difference whether he is under 5'6" or not!
    If over, the question is whether boxing competition evolved enough so that the likely even greater fighter Langford-in terms of accomplishments for his era-so that Dwight was better in absolute terms.
    I suspect that may be the case; or it is very close.

    But if he was really say 5'5" & a 1/2", I cannot see anyone touching him in that "division".
    See who you now pick in the 5'2"-under 5'4" division, as I put one division below that...
     
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  8. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    An egregious abuse of the world "literal" but I'll allow it. :partyhat:
     
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  9. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I had to emphasize!
     
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    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For a murder spree? Lol.
     
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  11. Barrf

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    I can't stop being amused by the thought of Qawi fighting guys his own height. He'd be up against.. lightweights? This isn't like taking some journeyman LHW or Cruiser and putting him in againat an ATG lightweight. This is a near-ATG at both LHW and Cruiser up against guys 40+ lbs smaller. It's like throwing Tyson in against Hagler. Just insane.

    Fun as this hypothetical is, it just doesn't work.
     
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  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Sure it works! It is imaginary; no need to have Qawi commit manslaughter!
    But as I wrote above, exactoy how tall he is would make a big difference.
    He would still win if it was anything under 5'7", but since the divisions are UNDER each even-inches #s, IF he is really 5'6" or more as some sources say, would he definitely beat Langford & everyone else under 5'8"?
    Is it possible Greb is a bit under 5'8" so it in the mix?

    How tall exactly was Qawi?
     
  13. Greg Price99

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    I qualified relative to the era in which they completed to avoid complications i.e. fight length, neutral corner, glove type, is it literal time machine where fighters from previous eras fought multiple times per month, perpetually carrying injuries and having to protect their hands, do we allow modern fighters the benefits of suspected PEDs, etc.

    On this basis, my sub 5ft 2ins is the same as my sub 5ft 4ins, BJW. I can't think of a 5ft 3ins or below fighter that would have beaten LHW contenders and even HWs from their own era.
     
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  14. Greg Price99

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    I've read 5ft 5ins to 5ft 7ins for Qawi too. If I couldn't have Dwight for sub 5ft 6ins, then off the top of my head I'd have Young Corbett III. He was 5ft 5ins and beat Billy Conn and Fred Apostoli.
     
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  15. Entaowed

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    OK I like the cut of your jib! :rambo1:

    However I accounted for differences in rule complications by neutralizing conditions.
    I think it is a better measure of what I am asking for & value: who is better in absolute terms.

    I did not specify fighting multiple times per month-even in the old days that was not the norm *throughout* a career.
    Under my Terms & Conditions, logically one must either average/normalize how often folks fight-i.e. more often than modernistas are used to, less than whirling dervishes from the past did...

    OR make it a one-off round robin tournament.
    OR permitted would be the Top Contenders fight an odd # of times-at a rate between what each was used to in their prime-to determine the Victor.

    Now PEDs are a good question!
    They are unique in both being unfair advantages, but things that contributed to the real world greatness of some boxers.
    So since we are reincarnating them as is, I will allow it.
    HOWEVER that means that if say a Greb cheated a lot in the ring (which he did)...

    He must also be allowed to get away with
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    of that (we still have to normalize rules between eras) dirty fighting-such as maybe non-disabling eye gouging too!