Did you actually read what he said? You've been told by a few people, some with actual experience (your little play fight with some kid doesn't really count as experience), that your ideas don't work. It's also been proven over and over in MMA fights vs boxers. You're either extremely stubborn or extremely dumb.
Whose actual experience? Also which actual boxers have actually gone into MMA???? Ones that aren't overweight and 9685798465 years old. It's ok I'll wait.
Here's a good example of a pure boxer trying to fight in an MMA match. From what people have said the guy you used as an exmple of a boxer vs MMA was an MMA fighter as he has a black belt in Judo... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5DBrgSVkY[/ame] He went on the attack and tried to get up when he was taken down, wasn't good enough. This just proves another point from one of my previous posts about not having a clue what to do on the ground, the boxer actually gives the guy his arm for an armbar. I don't know a huge amount about the history of UFC, but I believe this was the time that the Gracies started dominating with BJJ and people realised going in with just striking ability wasn't going to cut it.
the guy is just plain ******ed. I don't see why you guys bother arguing with him. Unless he actually gets in the cage he won't see the error of his ways.
LOL i've stepped in a ring for multiple sports, but as of yet never in a cage. I do however train in MMA to supplement my boxing so I have experience to back up what I say.
It's ok, I think we give up on you, you're not even giving any points anymore, just saying stupid things to carry this on. When you feel you can actually back up what you say come and try again.
Lol can't answer my question? I could post a bunch of vids of the gracie's getting their asses whooped by boxers/kickboxers. Would that make you feel better? Rules in the UFC are different from Pride, which probably explains why strikers were the **** in Pride? :hi:
No David Haye. I'm quite confused now. Anyway, here is your proof, which I'm sure won't be enough. Six months of training isnt going to be enough. As a UFC fan, I know two or three years wouldnt be enough. How many times has Toney sprawled in his life? 500? How many leg kicks has he taken in his life? 300? How many Kimura attempts has he defended? 140? Even if hes done double that amount, he wouldnt have nearly the experience needed to win a UFC fight. Haye also stresses that this is not just a criticism of Toney specifically, but rather that he is speaking from his own experiences. In fact it was only a couple of years that Haye, whos father was a Karate teacher, talked about making the transition when his boxing career comes to an end. I know from training in MMA myself that the wrestling aspect ruins your punching power, he reveals. After a minute of grappling, your arms, back and shoulders fill with blood and even if you then find space to throw punches, your power is suddenly crap. And I hit a lot harder and Im so much faster than James, and I couldnt land a punch on fighters when all they wanted to do was take me down to the ground. James is a much more static fighter than I am, and is going to get thrown on his back immediately by Randy. I admire Toneys spirit and boxing skills. But hes delusional here.
So you're basing this off of 1 fighters comment? Or what about when Couture was backing Toney up? I'm not saying a boxer is going to go into MMA without any training is going to dominate. I'm saying they do have a HUGE advantage. Which is why fighters who were champions in a different sport often prosper compared to ones just coming into MMA. I already knew Toney was going to lose simply because how he boxes, he's a stationary target as compared to Roy Jones who can't sit still. Because of the UFC, people are often mistaken that ground game is the key to anything; but often forget about when Pride was around.
This debate should be put to rest already. If a boxer fought an mixed martial artist in an MMA match the majority of the time the boxer will lose. If a mixed martial artist fought a boxer in a BOXING match the majority of the time the mma guy will lose. Thats pretty much it! I'm pretty sure this won't end the debate as it has probably been said in many other threads like this. Sooo, in an mma fight I'd say a boxer would have to have a good jab and put pressure with it at a pretty close range(to stuff kicks) while using a lot of lateral movement at the same time to avoid take downs. (Frankie Edge in his bj penn fights is a good example of someone in mma that does this) However theres still the threat of kicks and especially low kicks which will really be effective against a boxer because they put a lot of weight on their front foot compared to say a muay thai fighter. The reason a boxer has better punching than a mma guy is because mma figthers can't really keep their legs set so much because they have to think about sprawling, take downs, kicking, checking kicks and etc so naturally they can't throw punches as well as a boxer. This doesn't excuse guys like Nogueira, Rich Franklin, Forest Griffin and many other mma guys which I won't name who throwing ridiculously looping wide punches.