If a boxer can snap his punches throwing and pulling back and move in and out maintaining range, I don't see what the problem is with scoring against someone open waiting to try and grab you. Nobody said it was an easy stylistic challenge, but clearly Paloalto has actually tried it to some extent and makes some valid points.
Who said they would wait to grab you? Like I've said a few times once an MMA fighter has a hold of you you as a boxer are ****ed. Have you ever seen any fight where a guy has stepped into punching range of his opponent, punched him and back away consistantly without ever getting punched back or ending up in a clinch? I know I haven't. Vs an MMA guy he'll either punch back or instead of punch you he'll grab you. Every time you step in range to throw a punch you're at risk of being grabbed, hell a decent MMA fighter can shoot from 6 feet away and still get you down. The idea of just boxing vs MMA just does not work, it's been proven since the beginning of UFC. Can somebody answer this for me... If boxing is so effective vs MMA why are there no pure professional boxers in the UFC or any other MMA orginisation?
This fight was last month, for those that missed it. James Toney, who should need no introduction on this board, vs Randy Couture, a former UFC champion who is primarily a wrestler. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmyVdR-tnAc[/ame] James Toney is a better boxer than anyone on this board. He was on his back in less than 15 seconds and wasn't able to get off a single punch. If only he'd have trained with some of you guys, he would've known that all he had to do was keep his distance and land some bombs. :roll:
The thing is, Paloalto didn't say that the dude was trying to take him down, he was just trying to kick him. The MMA guy isn't going to stand stationary like Zangief off Street Fighter. He is going to be throwing punches as well, moving, kicking, and changing levels. How many boxing matches have you watched where neither fighter ever clinched? It is inevitable. There are just too many tools at the MMA guys disposal. Best bet is to ride that bicycle until the wheels fall off.
I just don't get what I'm missing in this, I'm going by basic logic as to who would win. The overwhelming odds go to MMA as the skillset is MUCH larger than a boxer's. I'm not saying a boxer stands no chance in an MMA fight, of course he does, but 90% or maybe even more of the time he isn't going to win.
All a boxer has to do is punch. They will land first because they are quicker with 1000x better technique and a helluva lot more power than any ufc hugger.
in a street fight its irrelevant and I really do think a boxer would win, besides having a good advantage standing even if it gets to the ground all that mma stuff doesn't really work BECAUSE there are no rules. if someone is trying to choke you out or break your arm just do small joint manipulation and pull their finger and break it backwards or gouge their eyes or fish hook their mouth if they are on top of you pounding on you. thats my theory at least.
you know the MMA guy can do that too right? Whatchya gonna do when he's sitting on top of you and decides to fish hook YOU or break YOUR fingers. I don't get why people are arguing this, if you wanna be able to handle it then go do some grappling on the side.