Best that never won?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who is the best heavyweight that never won the title?

    Who is the best heavyweight that never got a title shot?

    Are they the same man?

    In your opinion.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Peter Jackson, in my view, has a claim to both honours.

    Teofilo Stevens deserves a wee shout out!
     
  3. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Several come to mind.

    Harry Wills would be my first choice.

    Others that were good but didn't win are for instance Jimmy Young and Tim Witherspoon, Langford, Jeannette, Mcvey.
     
  4. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    I'd put Jerry Quarry up there but it's easy to romanticize his memory.
     
  5. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tua deserves a shout...a short, stout, hard-punching heavyweight with an iron chin and good stamina is always a contender.

    ...unless the champ is Lennox Lewis.
     
  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let me give my vote for Cleveland williams, although he did get his shot. I believe he could beat a good many title holders currently and through the years.
     
  7. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Chyonski. Gave many champs hell. Beat Jack Johnson early in Johnson's career, punched Jefferies front teeth through his lip during a 20 round draw, and universally regarded by his peers as one of the if not the hardest punchers of the era. Johnson thought Choynski hit harder than Dempsey.
     
  8. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chronologically, I think the best heavyweights never to win the legitimate world title were Peter Jackson, Tom Sharkey, Sam Langford, Harry Wills, Billy Conn, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, Archie Moore, Jerry Quarry, Jimmy Young, Ken Norton, Tim Witherspoon, and Ike Ibeabuchi (excluding current fighters, since their historical greatness and status as having fought for/won the title are in flux). With that being the case, the best never to receive a title shot would be Jackson, Langford, Wills, Bivins, Ray and Ibeabuchi.

    Narrowing it down to only one, I'm leaning towards Langford as the very best never to receive a shot, and I think it's probably between Langford and Norton in terms of who was the very best never to win the title, period.
     
  9. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tim Witherspoon gets my vote, what a talent this guy was.
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Peter Jackson has a strong claim to being the first modern (Queensberry Rules) Heavyweight Champion of the World.
     
  11. janitor

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    Based on resume I would have to say Sam Langford.

    Peter Jackson and Harry Wills were both the best heavyweight breathing for a few years IMHO.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Let's hear a little bit abot it?
     
  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nice to see Tom Sharkey get a mention. Very overlooked fighter.
     
  14. joekirkbycobra

    joekirkbycobra King Of The Ring Full Member

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    sam langford
     
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I guess what the question comes down to is who would have been the most given a title shot.

    A. Who could give the champion a good fight?

    B. Who could win the title?

    C. Who could retain the title?

    D. Who could perhaps even dominate an era because they were so much better than the rest of the field?

    Who falls into each category?