Best time to do your roadwork?

Agree with what you say and agree with the research. However as you say Interval trainings main benefit and objective will be to increase the % of Vo2max you can perform at and doesn't (in the main) aim to increase VO2max (although probably will in unfit people) The Capiliarisation point I stand by and most research shows this will be increased more by slow runs than interval, which will then help Vo2 also so both should be used in conjunction. As you know Vo2max is mainly static and hard to increase, the % of max ran at is the trainable point and again I agree Intervals or threshold training is the way to do this.

The last point is based on some research of running after weight sessions. I believe it was thought the type 2b fibres remain significantly aerobic and didn't have the same amount of hypertrophy as they would have if no runs were completed. Doing runs before weights would probably lead to increase injury risk, but interesting point you make.

Again though, all of this type of training will depend on your belief on how aerobic or anaerobic you believe boxing (or your style) is and then these methods should be used to find a balance that matches that belief.

 

I'd be interested in reading up on that mate.

 

Sure I do. I never spoke against science. I am saying do you as an athlete/trainer gifted with a specific window of time and unique talent risk it? IMHO, no. Do what works.

Experiment on the average guys. When you see them reaching new peaks? THEN the methods are proven.

Huh? You missed the point. I am talking about professional athletes not general people. At that point it is about the coaches AND the athlete. If you want to say that pro athletes are overeating, what is the point of even having this debate? They are flawed at the most basic level.

No they don't. If they did, the world wouldn't have an obesity problem. Eating habits and hunger evolved in completely different circumstances than we exist in today. People are compelled to eat crap.

Who said that? I said a fighter should look at every fight as the one that could ruin him. Do you bet on tried and true proven methods or do you give something new a shot? IMHO, until the new stuff becomes proven? I will stick with what has guaranteed others success.

Your last comment is just silly. Science never believed smoking was good for you. Running distance in conjunction with Boxing specific interval training provides optimal fitness versus sprinting and load bearing excercise in conjunction with Boxing specific interval training.

I say the first method is proven so therefore should be followed by most Boxers. This is the debate. No need for the ruffles and flourishes.

 

/thread. Didn't need the other 9 pages.

 

Running at pace you can just about handle for 30 mins in the morning is what makes you tough. It's hard, but you never give up.

Knowing you woke up and got through that while everyone else is still sleeping creates a huge confidence inside you. If there is one person you can't lie to its yourself, so when you start putting the real work you feel confident and determined.

 

I've never understood why boxers/boxing coaches come out with stuff like this, it makes no sense. Why do you feel you create confidence just because you woke up early to run? "Get up early and do your roadwork!" Why? It's not exactly a challenge to run in the morning, thousands of people do it every day because they enjoy running or want to lose weight.

What about this, while you're at home eating your lunch your next opponent could be sparring. So what?

 

It's the feeling you get from doing it.

 

Whats with the war against running. atsch arrogant virus in a wheelchair or something

 

Well your confidence is going to be shattered when you realise your opponent trained smartly instead and as a result improved their skills and fitness to a higher level than you. Hey, atleast all the toughness you gained from your morning run will allow you take your inevitable beating like a man. Makes you tough makes you stupid don't you mean? When I was a teenager and quit smoking I used to run every morning like that, I felt good about myself but it didn't give me the fitness for boxing, I could run 10km no problem but I'd be gassed after one round of sparring. There's nothing wrong with running, but you need to use the energy systems that you use for your sport if you want any real benefit from it.
Do you know what actually gives you confidence? Being a skilled boxer who is fit. The whole 'tough' thing is a load of ****, anybody can be tough and most boxers are what you'd describe as 'tough', getting fitter and more skilled is what's going to make the difference. Not draining yourself in the morning while you run next to the old ladies going for their daily run.
Yeah I bet your opponents are worried that while their bodies are recovering after their session yesterday afternoon that made them throw up, you're up at the break of dawn chasing down Aunty Sue while you huff and puff. If you knew anything about fitness you wouldn't be feeling good about what you're doing. Keep battling yourself, if your victory is just getting up to go for a run then congratulations to you.
In regards to getting fit for boxing or making a positive difference to performance then what you're doing is pointless.

 

Not at all, I'm just not a blind follower, I like to think for myself. You should try it one day.

BTW, there is no war on running. If you actually read my posts and thought for yourself instead of following the other posters you'd realise I'm saying running is not a requirment, nothing more nothing less.

 

But professional boxers do it and say everyone should. Shouldn't we just stfu, not think for ourselves and do what they say? :blood

 

What a load of horse****. You must be young? Makes you tough? Are you kidding? :roll:

 

im not just going to blindly do what every one else does....

im going to listen to my fitness instructor!!!!!

SCIENCE!!!!!!!!

no but serisouly

you should try everything (fitnesswise), no one peice of advice is going to be the best advice for every person in every situation.

so try everything, understand everything, and get rid of what you dont need once you understand why you dont need it.

what you read today might be useless tomorrow and right up your ally 2 months from now.

know yourself and know your training and you will know the answers to your questions.

 

The issues with this idea are very large. Not only won't it actually have as much benefit as other endurance training methods, but assuming you do this most days you will be too tired to effectively train boxing skills, strength, power and speed on any of these same days as you'll be too tired.

Slow runs should be slow, hard sessions should be hard. There should be very few intermediate type sessions.

30mins hard every now and again isn't that bad as it will be a good indicator of lactate threshold improvements, but to have it as a core staple of your roadwork will just make you slow and unable to achieve your key objectives in other sessions.

 

LOL so boxers dont think for themselves you're really stupid, there is a starting point for every body and when you walk into a gym for the first time you follow the instructions of your coach and of other boxers that have been there a lot longer than you....

you act like you know more than anybody but i bet you're not even a boxer...

like i said before boxers that fight at a high amateur level or once they go pro they hire personal trainers, dietitians, strength instructors, boxing is a billion dollar business and from my first hand experience i've never been told or recommended by anybody not to run.. yes i've done plenty of alternative workouts.. like do sprint repetitions instead of a long run, swimming, biking... but never have i've trained for a fight or seen anybody train for a fight without running..

you keep saying it can be done but the proof is on the pudding nobody has taken your stupid advice

so go ahead and keep doing your own routine because since you read a book or a couple of articles in the internet and now you feel you are more qualified than anybody else

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