Best time to do your roadwork?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by pichuchu, Nov 1, 2011.


  1. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure, bodyweight squats, lunges etc. are great for improving muscular endurance. Better than jogging.
     
  2. lefty

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    Yeah it triggers the anti-stress process because the body tries to maintain homeostasis. It is the stress. You won't find anybody trying to increase their cortisol levels. Anyway I have better things to do than explain basic **** to you, later.
     
  3. Ylem

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    first off i said it wrong, it dosnt help break down glucose it helps break down protiens, fats, and carbs into glucose to be used by the liver through the preocess of glucosogensisi as quoted from wiki.

    its actually realeased to counter act stress and activates anti stress and anti inflamitory pathwas which was also in the quote above from wiki.

    it is known as the stress hormone because stress and low blood sugar activate it.

    obese people tend to have high lvls of cotisol, but theres more to it then high lvls of cortisol make you fat. cortisol increases appatite as you eat you gain weight.

    the viscreal fat in the abdomen has increased blood flow increased enzymes that cortisol uses and increased cortisol recepors compareded to other parts of the body.

    thus as you become obese your coritsol lvls increase. thus cortisol does not cause obesity, obesity causes high cortisol lvls.

    as far as over trained athelets im sure i could research that as well but i dont care that much and could simply make the assumption it has soemthign to do with low blood sugar lvls for prolonged periods of time (days) causing a constant release of cortisol.

    ok so weve agreeed that jogging improves a form of strength known as strength endurance. its not the best way, just as lunges and squats arnt the best way to improve cardio, but thats fine as thats not my argument. my argument is that any one who would claim the only benifit of jogging is cardio, would be some one who is wrong. just as any one who would claim that jogging in no way improves strength would also be wrong, as it improves strength endurance.
     
  4. lefty

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    :patsch Why do I bother, you're the same knucklehead you've always been. Go do some more wiki research and stop wasting people's time. Usually the idea is to educate yourself before arguing a point, that's not the Ylem way though is it? You do it the other way round and try to twist information to fit your argument without understanding anything. You are the definition of a troll.
    Okay jogging can help your strength relatively speaking if you're a big fatty or you're 90 years old and don't exercise. That wasn't the point though was it, we're talking about improving athletic performance. You pedantic mother****er, go and blink your eyelids a thousand times to improve your strength endurance you dumb **** :good
    We don't agree, jogging is not going to improve strength endurance. It is not involved in strength at all. If it is you also consider walking and standing as strength endurance.
    Should we have an argument here about how boxers should be walking in the morning instead of the evening?
     
  5. thehook13

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    Thanks for all the info. You definitely know yoru **** and can speak like a normal person. I obviously understand squats are needed for strength training in the legs, i put too much trust in running being a good exercise for strength endurance though i stand by it is an ideal exercise. I never said anythingabout 10k runs every day ( who would do that these days) but new school trainers better comment on that anyway.
     
  6. Ylem

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    im sorry that im actually researching what im saying instead of depending on a faded memory.

    jogging strengthens your legs.

    cortisol lowers your stress.

    deal with it.

    walking standing? ive heard some marathon runners take a day of training where they just stand around for a couple hours.

    John L sullivan, didnt even jog he would walk 13 miles and sprint 2.

    so yeah, id say walking and standing improve leg strength endurence.
     
  7. lefty

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    You're right that what I said was wrong about cortisol, you brought me down to ****** level and beat me with experience. The point I was trying to make is that cortisol isn't the stress relieving friend you're trying to make it out to be.
     
  8. Ylem

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    im not trying to say it is...im just trying to say that some one who is well rested will be able to work harder then some on who has allready spent hours doing other stuff.

    the reality is that jogging isnt about making your self faster or stonger its not about leaps and bounds in athletic preformance.

    its about muscular endurance, breathing technique, and cardio.

    it dosnt matter when you jog because you dont really need to be at 100% to get the same advantages.

    interval sprints would be a completely diffrent story
     
  9. lefty

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    Okay then, stress yourself out constantly so you get high levels of cortisol then if it's your friend.
    Do your 1908 style training combined with your standing training to build your strength, I don't give a ****.
     
  10. Ylem

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    its not your friend or a bad guy its a hormone your body secreats to deal with stress and low blood sugar.

    you shouldnt sterotype things as good or bad, you should just say what it does.

    1890 training.

    and its to build strength endurance, to just say strength is too general unless your trying to troll as there is maximal strength speed strength explosive strength and strength endurance. some one can read your statement and assume for some reason im talkinga bout maximal strength which would be completly wrong.
     
  11. lefty

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    That's what I'm talking about, don't do high intensity (interval training) in the morning. The other argument is with you talking about jogging improving strength endurance. It doesn't, and I'm saying don't jog anytime if you're already at a decent level of fitness.
    You can't work harder in the morning, you need to work hard to improve fitness. Can you put it all together now?
    Maybe sitting at a desk or walking around will tire you out since you think that's training but for most healthy, fit people they're not going to be physically unable to exercise at a high intensity later in the day.
    Jogging isn't going to improve muscular endurance or cardio if you're already reasonably fit. Breathing can be worked on while sitting down, I don't know why you'd go for a jog to work on that. Do some interval training for a couple of months without jogging then after the couple of months go for your jog. Maybe then you'll understand why it's pointless.
     
  12. Ylem

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    your right im wrong have a nice day.
     
  13. lefty

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    No worries mate. Interval running training twice a week to get all the benefits, if you really want to go for longer slower runs then do them on your day/s off. Nothing wrong with long runs if they don't interfere with your training, as I've been saying they won't do much at all for your fitness but they can be good for you mentally, help you unwind. If I feel like a day off I sometimes go for a 10-15km run with my ipod on.
    If you want to improve strength endurance then circuit sort of training is great, burpees, body weight squats, lunges etc.
     
  14. lefty

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    Do some high intensity interval training a couple of days a week, if you're doing them right you'll be struggling to breathe and you'll want to throw up. Just two short sessions of pain a week, for two months. No jogging in those two months.
    Then go on your same jog you usually do. See how you feel...
    Try it, if you still think slow steady jogs are helping your fitness then I'll apologise for everything I've ever said.
     
  15. Ylem

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    i do both.

    3 min rounds shadow boxing and hitting the bag for hiit

    then jog or bike ride.

    they both play an important role.