Best trainer

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by DFW, Nov 25, 2007.


  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    McCrory and McClellan too. Jimmy Paul fit the sterotype too with a little less power.
     
  2. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wonder what Manny does to help them unleash the power in their right? Ive read several things that Hearns was a very light punchers in the amateurs, then Manny Steward started training him and he became the devastating puncher that we all know him as. I think Steward shows them how to get maximum leverage or something.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    He teaches maximum leverage as well as how to lock up on a punch. A very good power trainer.
     
  4. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He pretty much destroyed Jermain Taylor though, its a shame. They seemed like a perfect match. Steward also taught pretty good jabs.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Did he tho? I'm not 100% sure it was just Steward.
     
  6. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It wasn't all Steward, but once Steward came to the scene Taylor went down hill. Nothing against Steward, just wasn't a good match like it looked like it would be.
     
  7. JohnThomas1

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    I must say i am a bit leery on the topic. I'm not sure a guy could go seemingly that backward due to a trainer, and a great one.
     
  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steward should not be held accountable for Taylor. Taylor simpy does not listen. He's a self-admitted hard-head and it is no surprise whatsoever that Manny walked.

    Taylor's problem is that his style was not developed around sound fundamentals aside from the jab -it was developed around his natural athleticism. By now, his style has crystallized.

    Watch Taylor-Wright for convincing. Steward was ready to strangle his charge for fighting with his back to the ropes and Taylor just didn't listen. He's worse than Moorer when it comes to following orders.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Ha ha ha ha.

    It depends what my style is and who I am fighting.

    If I am fighting Muhamad Ali then I want Eddie Futch.
     
  10. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray Arcel had a career that spanned 70 years -training his first fighter in 1923 and his last in 1982.

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  11. Robbi

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    Steward's advice to Hamed between rounds of the Barrera fight was terrible. And Hamed's style was extremely poor under Steward, although Saurez might have had something to do with it. Flat-footed, no upperbody or head movement. Suicidal for a hands down fighter.

    Great trainers have bad moments. Steward was basically telling Hamed to just go out and knock out Barrera. "open up and this fight is over with" uttered Seward between one of the rounds. He had no strategy to get Hamed back into the fight. No plan for Hamed to lay his gloves on Barrera, thus no round winning formula.
     
  12. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Time makes things murky, but Hedgemon Lewis credits Futch with "teaching how to fight"... Lewis was with Futch from his 9th pro fight.
    He brought along Don Jordan to a WW title in '58... but in time he indeed started to get tapped as a strategist. Much like Arcel was for Duran and Steward is for many of his charges. These guys come into camp later and make adjustments and design strategy.

    Futch brought taught Freddie Roach after the Dedham, MA native was brought to Roach by his original trainer -his dad -that's close to scratch, especially considering that 'Roach the trainer' channels Futch.

    Futch also trained Thel Torrance and then groomed him to be a trainer. When Toney and Rahman fought a couple of years ago, both Futch's proteges were in opposite corners and both claimed to be using his blueprints. It was a Futch vs. Futch duel in a way... and it was a draw.

    ps/ Eddie reportedly once threw a young Walker Smith out of the gym for slacking. Smith came back with a new attitude. ThankyouJesus.
     
  13. Stonehands89

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    Hamed was not going to outbox Barrera. His only chance was to hurt Barrera and then take over. It was a calculated gamble in my opinion and the odds there were better than if he gave him more sophisticated advice... and remember, Hamed was a bum with fundamentals.