Best way to train and bulk up whilst training in MMA-

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Black2023, Dec 5, 2010.


  1. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't see this post. Why do you want to gain more weight when you're nearly 200 pounds already?
     
  2. Black2023

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    Why not?

    Thats not really the point, its to be the best you can be, bigger, stronger, more flexible, greater agility, faster and a better fighter.

    Hence why i asked what a generic plan would be in terms of physical training/ nutrition to help improve all the above.
     
  3. vonLPC

    vonLPC Active Member Full Member

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    Just buy Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe and do it. If you say yeah but I'm too advanced do Madcow Training. Then, eat alot. There!
     
  4. vibit

    vibit Active Member Full Member

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    If you really want to simply bulk up, follow a bodybuilding routine and eat a lot.

    They do large volumes though leaving little precious time for training other things, so everything else may suffer (skill, agility, speed).
     
  5. Black2023

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    The best athlete i can be bulk up yeah but with the idea that i will then improve starting strength, speed strength etc. I understand you have to do in phases but still.
     
  6. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Set a weight goal don't just say "I want to bulk up". People always say they want to bulk up, but without a target they lose interest.

    Look up Westside for Skinny *******s 4 and 5/3/1 both very good programs for size and strength. But it seems W4SB would be best for you as it aimed more towards athletic training than pure muscle.
     
  7. Onepunch

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    You say you want to be a better fighter, but the fact you want to bulk up says to me you have no interest in actually fighting competitively.

    This means 1 of 2 things:
    1) You are a douchebag who will train MMA so he can more effectively win fights against drunk people

    2) You do not plan to fight at all, and are instead learning MMA because you want your friends to think you're badass.

    ALso: 'Starting Strength' is a BOOK.
     
  8. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But, like I've already said:

    At your weight, if you're planning on competing in MMA you'll be up against guys standing at 6' plus, easily.
    You don't want to be gaining any more bulk than you're already carrying. Certainly get stronger, faster, more explosive, etc., but don't think that means the numbers on the scale have to change.
     
  9. Ylem

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    Fast twitch muscles tend to grow more then slow twitch muscles.

    fast gainers usually have a higher precent of fast twitch muscles because of the ease that fast twitch muscles gain mass when worked.

    if you work on building strength and explosiveness while maintaining about a gram of protien per pound of body weight and enough carbs to fuel yourself you really cant help but bulk up.

    instead of asking about how to bulk up and argueing with these idiots who completly avoid your question and would much rather tell you your wrong youd be better off just asking how to build strength and explosiveness....then all you have to do is eat enough.

    I missed this

    pretty good post. as far as calories id eat about 19-21 calories per pound of solid anything but fat. if say your 200 lbs at 10% bf then you can say theres 20 lbs of fat so thats 200-20 = 180 * 20(C per pound)= like 3500 - 3800 calories a day and assuming your 200 lbs since 1 gram of protien is 4 calories 800 of those calories should be protien.
     
  10. Onepunch

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    Ylem you know nothign about bulking up or weight training, in fact you are actively against it.

    If you want to get stronger and bulk up use a proper program such as stronglifts: http://www.stronglifts.com

    Depending on how much you eat, you can get stronger without gaining weight using this program. However, I stand by my earlier assertion that competitive combat athletes would not choose to move up a weight class.
     
  11. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    im actively against it for a boxer, dosnt mean i dont know anything about it.

    boxing is about punching making an impact not pushing. mma is about pushing and pulling just as much as its about impacts. weights are a great tool for some one in mma especially heavy weights in routines desinged to improve acceleration against resistance.

    the 5*5 strong lifts program would be great for this person.
     
  12. Onepunch

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    Try reading 'Combat Core'.

    It says that strength training is useful for improvement in both acceleration and deceleration of punches. Thus increasing your power while simultaneously improving injury resistance and ability to retract missed punches.
     
  13. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    acceleration dosnt change top speed, only that you reach it more quickly.

    this in turn makes distance much less important. it will not improve the power of a punch thrown at correct range though it will improve the power of a punch throww at incorrect range.

    deceleration of punches? when would this be used? when you realize you dont actually want to punch the person? im not going to strength train just so i dont have to worry about missed punches and distance.
     
  14. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :rofl at Ylem calling someone an idiot. You don't know about anything you **** knuckle so stop giving advice for christsakes :patsch

    An athlete, especially a combat athlete should be looking to be as light as possible and strong as possible. If you're just looking to bulk up you're not interested in being a better athlete and you're hurting your power to weight ratio. The only reason an athlete ever wants to purposely bulk up is for a sport like football or basketball depending on their position so they can hold their ground better. Bulk up and you're hurting yourself as an athlete if you're interested in fighting and you're in a weight class that isn't heavyweight. If you're not a natural heavyweight you're gonna be easy prey if you have to lift weights to get to that division.
     
  15. Onepunch

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    Wrong. People do not come with a pre-programmed top punching speed. The only fixed attribute is the length of your punch. If you have greater acceleration in the same distance you will reach a greater speed. Also, not every punch is thrown 'correctly' in boxing, if you actually fought you would know this. The greater your acceleration, the greater your ability to fight in short range.

    You are neglecting INFIGHTING.

    missed punches and overreaching punches are a common cause of injury in under developed shoulders. The greater your punching power, the higher the risk that you will cause injury by insufficient ability to decelerate.