Beterbiev in his early 30s

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Beterbiev would be favored over every fighter at LHW since at least Michael Spinks, if not going further back. Really the only two fighters who might be favored over him at 175 would be a prime Kovalev and RJJ. And I really think the only chance Kovalev has is to stop Beterbiev early. And Roy's only chance is to play keep away for 12 rounds because the first clean punch that lands will have Roy ready to go.

    Most underrated fighter of my lifetime. This guy carried a 100% knockout rate into his very late 30s. Stopped a prime Gvozdyk, and looked indestructible. And still even after that performance did not get any credit from the boxing media. Even at 39 he beat Bivol, in a fight where Bivol's strategy was to get on his bike and run away from a borderline middle aged man. And he still couldn't beat Beterbiev. It's very tough to look good against a cagey fighter who is playing keep away the entire fight especially when you are 39. Not a very inspiring performance by Bivol there.

    If a 39 year old Beterbiev could track down Bivol and win on points then imagine what a 30 year old Beterbiev could do.
     
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    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    So I guess you're just going to ignore the fact that many people thought it was a clear as day robbery win over Bivol, just like you've ignored that Biden was senile for the last 4 years. The denial isn't just strong with you, it's consumed you. You really need to sort that part of your personality out.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Politics should be kept in the Lounge. Now as far as Beterbiev goes, he did win the fight. I'm open to labeling fights as robberies. But to me a robbery would be Chavez Whitaker. That kind of a fight. This was a close fight.
     
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  4. Young Terror

    Young Terror ★ Griselda ★ Full Member

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    Underrated?

    If anything he's overrated. The only high caliber fighter he faced he got schooled.

    And the February rematch with Bivol will be postponed cause Artur needs more tone to cycle his roíds so a fake injury is coming soon.
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Shut the **** up. You cannot disentangle the two with you. You're riddled with denial everywhere on this site. You're as delusional in the Lounge as you are in the General. Also, a robbery is any match where there's no feasible pathway to victory for the fighter that wins. At best for Artur, the match was a draw. That would make it a robbery.
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can. I post boxing in The General. I post Politics in the Lounge. I'm happy to talk Politics with you in The Lounge. Just as I'm happy to talk boxing with you in The General.

    I disagree with you on the Beterbiev Bivol decision.
     
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  7. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Berterbiev is a true freak of nature, to accomplish what he has is quite incredible when you consider the legal disputes and injuries which have plagued his stop start pro career. If he had avoided those issues and turned pro earlier then professional boxing would have witnessed somebody it never has before. The guy was an absolute phenom of mythical proportions.
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Definitely agree. He's a magnificent fighter who is 75% of what he once was. And still beats everybody on the planet 175 and below.
     
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  9. CST80

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    While I generally agree, and encourage most to keep politics and boxing separate. But with you it's pretty hard to ignore, considering you've made 30 or 40 fawning Biden fanboy threads in the lounge and 30 or 40 fawning Beterbiev fanboy threads in the general. Try diversifying, politics, entertainment and boxing is a broad field. I'm sure you can find more than two people to become madly in love with to the point of obsessive creepy fixation.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've made hundreds of non Biden political threads in The Lounge. And I've made hundreds of non Beterbiev boxing threads in The General. I don't agree with you on that post.
     
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    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His heritage does play a part as well, those dudes are ****ing monsters. Even the stories you hear outta the gym about Artur, ungodly power. I ****ing love the guy. Usyk and Artur are my two favourite boxers of all time, for differing reasons and if I could conjure a dream match up between two dudes in their prime at pro level it would probably be those two.
     
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  12. CST80

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    How silly of me, I forgot all of the obsessive Trump bashing threads, which number in the hundreds.:lol:
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes. Among others. Do you have any more comments or thoughts about Beterbiev to contribute to this thread?
     
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  14. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I get it Tinman, you love Beterbiev. Heard you the first hundred times.

    You broke down his resume, which consists of two notable fights. That in itself shows why he's NOT underrated.

    First, Bivol's strategy was not to get on is bike and run away. If anything, he showed too much willingness to stay in close quarters and exchange against a bigger and more powerful opponent. If he uses more movement and uses a little clinching, he decisively wins the rematch. (I thought he won the first fight too, but It was close enough for the decision to go the other way.)

    Second, I think I posted this in the RJJ/Beterbiev thread but will repeat it here, Gvozdyk was a top amateur, and he looked to be the goods in the pros. That's it, looked to be. His pro career consists of dethroning a 41 year old Stevenson who was very lucky to keep his title with a draw against Badou Jack in his previous fight, losing to Beterbiev and then disappearing for 3 years, only to come back to lose to David Benavidez who had 0 fights at 175 before. The fact that he is a career defining win for Beterbiev should show you why some may be reluctant to rank him as a top ATG LHW.
     
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  15. CST80

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    Yes, it's yet another lame ass fetishistic boring Beterbiev adulation thread from you, who conveniently ignores that he's one of the dirtiest fighters in the sport and that the one time he goes the distance, he needed cooked scorecards to hold onto his 0. Mr. Lomachenko deserved to lose to Salido.
     
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