Beterbiev v Lastarza?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Liston73, Jun 30, 2022.


  1. Amos-san

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    It was irony, man. Do you really give LaStarza any chances to win this match?
     
  2. Liston73

    Liston73 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Its a plausible scenario
     
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  3. Liston73

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    Satterfield was not ranked when Layne beat him so RIGHT!
    Beterbiev'a amateur record is96-10- 0 . 2 of those losses being to Usyk
    I guess it's send in the clowns time then?
     
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  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You didn’t specify they had to be ranked. So wrong. He was prime anyway. The idea that he was ranked at that minute it dilutes the win is ridiculous. Layne did something your boy Williams couldn’t and he knocked out Bob Satterfield. Lastarza beat a very good version of Layne. Which is better then anyone on Beterbievs resume. It’s not a stretch to say you all are jumping the gun. And amateur careers mean squat in the pros by the way. That should be obvious but I guess not when trying to demean a Marciano opponent
     
  5. Liston73

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    This is my post.how come he never stopped a top ten ranked heavyweight?
    You are wrong so please stop wriggling.
    This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Rocky Marciano so please do not bring him into the debate
    You may be obssessed with him ,but that does not mean everybody else is!

    Layne beat Satterfield ? Yes he did and Satterfield beat a 20 years old Williams who was a last minute replacement.SPOT THE DIFFERENCE?
    YOU first mentioned Lastarza's amatuer career I just replied with Beterbiev's stats.

    It's my contention that Lastarrza go ta split decision over a Layne who was on a downward spiral.
    He was never the same after a certain Italian American crushed him

    This was his next fight after that defeat by the Italian American

    Layne was saved by the bell at the count of nine in the 10th round and "was bleeding from the nose, mouth and a deep gash at the corner of his left eye when his handlers picked him up and carried him to his corner".
    The bout was stopped with him "helpless" after regaining his feet following another knockdown in the 11th round. (New York Times)

    This is his result 4 months later against a novice journeyman
    [url]1952-02-07[/url] 199 [url]Willie James[/url] 204¾ 12 2 1
    Boston Garden, Boston
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    [url]event[/url] [url]bout[/url] [url]wiki [/url][url]scores[/url]
    referee: [url]Danny Sears[/url] 92-99 | [url]John Glynn[/url] 94-99 | [url]Joe Santoro[/url] 94-98
    Layne was down in the 6th, 8th, and 9th rounds.

    Layne then beat 2 journeymen and los tto Mathews winning 1 round according to the press. Layne then beat another journeyman and got a gift decision over Charles who set the record straight 8 months later with this result.
    referee: [url]Frankie Carter[/url] 51-59 | [url]Toby Irwin[/url] 51-59 | [url]Johnny Lotsey[/url] 49½-60½
    Layne was knocked down once in the 6th, once in the 7th and once in the 10th.

    After losing to RM Layne had a further 27 fights losing 15 of them!
    There is only one fo us desperately trying to project his own opinion of that certain "Italian American ,"here and it isn't me!
    So kindly leave him out!
     
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  6. Gazelle Punch

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    Once again it means NOTHING that Satterfield wasn’t ranked that second as far as quality. It’s just your way of trying to take the win down a notch. He was ranked before and after that fight for years.
    Look at your posts. You’ve always been OBSESSED with Marciano and taking him down as many notches as you can. It’s odd behavior to dislike a fighter so much.
    Beterbiev hasn’t beaten anyone of note and certainly no one as good as Layne. Not saying he isn’t a capable fighter. Saying your jumping the gun even making a post like this when in a years time maybe no one is even taking about him.
     
  7. Liston73

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    Here are some of the things I've said about Marciano,here and on and two other sites I visit.
    "Fine Champion","Fine Man," " Great fighter"."I don't think it would occur to him he could be beaten." ".I think if it was suggested he ducked a fighter he would be insulted." " courageous fighter with a terrific will to win"
    I believe these to be more positive accolades than you have ever given him here ,and that they compare very favourably with any other posters! And I posted them with great sincerity
    This thread was born because of the lengthy, polite, and enjoyable debate I have been having with JasonThomas.
    I've three books on Marciano and a collection of his fights.
    THAT WOULD BE ODD BEHAVIOUR IF I DISLIKED HIM!
    The only poster obsessed with Marciano is YOU!
    YOU brought him into this ,MY thread and despite my politely requesting you leave him out of it,you continue to bring him up!
    Do me a favour put me on ignore ,I don't come on forums to debate with biased posters like yourself !
    Beterbiev is 37 years old, do you think it likely he has reached his peak and so can be matched with past fighters?
    Or do you think he is still in the learning stage and likely to either ,improve /implode?
    PS If I had just received the drubbing I've been reluctantly been forced to give you, I would hide for a week!
    THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BETERBIEV V LASTARZA NOBODY ELSE!

    CAN YOU NOW UNDERSTAND THAT?
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    Beterbiev by mid round KO.
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

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    I spoke many years ago with a well known Philadelphia Boxing Historian on Lastarza

    "Lastarza. His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed lt.heavy Dan Bucceroni and to lt. heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. A fight I am told Rocky was more intent on giving Roland a beating for all of the talk that he "was afraid" to meet LaStarza again than KOing him early which I believe he could have done easily. Look at LaStarza's record there are no tough names on it except for Marciano.I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. Jones was approached at the morning weigh-in by Jimmy White (Amato) a shadowy figure who was a mob contact man and manager and told Rocky "we don't wan't any of that stuff that happened in Akron."Jones had two good rounds then was told to "cool it." LaStarza NEVER fought a danerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion. Again, let me reinterate-when Marciano fought LaStarza the first time Rocky was boxing for the first time after the Vingo tragedy. Rocky had threatened to quit boxing. Is it any wonder he was not the usual agressive Marciano but an understandably gunshy, tenitive boxer that night ?"-

    [url]https://www.delcotimes.com/2008/03/...-present-smile-despite-some-tough-breaks/amp/[/url]
    Rocky Jones pretty much confirms the meeting with a mob member and admits he was on the handcuffs in the Lastarza rematch.
     
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