Beterbiev vs Shavers

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Jun 20, 2022.


How does it go?

  1. Shavers KO

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  2. Shavers TKO

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  3. Shavers decision

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  4. Beterbiev KO

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  5. Beterbiev TKO

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  6. Beterbiev decision

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  1. NoNeck

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    Zurdo isn't nearly as physically solid as Beterbiev. It's like comparing Tim Witherspoon with Tyson.

    Regardless, I think the punch variety and placement that Beterbiev has is very unusual at heavyweight and he'd likely land something on Shavers and rock him, rather than the opposite.

    And Beterbiev has pretty seen it all when considering his am experience.
     
    NoNeck, Jun 20, 2022
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

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    Zurdo even being taller isn't less stocky than Beterbiev imo

    I favor Shavers simply because he had crazy power at 200lb+ and has been in there with guys higher on the threat scale than Beterbiev but i wouldn't write Beterbiev off.
     
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  3. NoNeck

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    You can pull up pictures. Beterbiev looks to be about 12-13% bodyfat. Zurdo looks about 15%.
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

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    Im just referring to raw size. Not to say Beterbiev isn't big but Zurdo looks significantly larger. Beterbiev is clearly more toned though
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    Zurdo probably has an extra 5 pounds of fat alone compared to Beter. Zurdo is a freak though. Maybe the largest 175 in history.
     
    NoNeck, Jun 20, 2022
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    Maybe but he is taller with a longer reach as well. I personally always though Beterbiev was 185-190lb. I wouldn't be suprised if he was over 190 though
     
    MarkusFlorez99, Jun 20, 2022
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  7. Glass City Cobra

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    The smallest HW champion of the 70's was Frazier who weighed between 205-210 in his prime.

    Prime weights for champions of the 70's

    Ali 215-224
    Foreman 217-230
    Norton 205-224
    Holmes 209-217

    The champions of the 70's were all 6'3-6'4 with the exception of Frazier.

    Average weight of 70's champs: about 216 lbs.

    Contenders

    Ellis 201
    Lyle 220
    Bugner 230
    Quarry 202
    Young 209
    Chuvalo 217
    Bonavena 206
    Shavers 210

    Average contender weight: 212 lbs.

    Even if we assume Beterbiev gets in the ring weighing 185, he's still giving up 27 lbs to the average contender and over 30 lbs to the average champion. All while being one of the shortest men in the division. He would absolutely be called a small heavyweight in the 70's. Men like Ellis and Quarry we're called small and they were both taller and heavier than Beterbiev and they often struggled heavily to make a mark on the division against the larger men. Even if we bump his in ring weight to 190 (which is pure speculation) he's still significantly smaller than the average fighter of that decade.

    You tell me which boxer in history had success giving up about 30 lbs to the average boxer of his era...?

    Beterbiev has faced approximately zero hard hitting men who are 200+ lbs, let alone a murderous hitter like Shavers. He gets slaughtered 9/10 outside of a freak punchers chance.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 20, 2022
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  8. NoNeck

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    Spinks was a 197 pound champion, you snake.

    Beterbiev fought at heavyweight in the ams and did fine.

    It's funny how being light doesn't matter with you guys until it does.
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

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    I honestly forgot about Spinks.

    The average contenders/champions would still be 20-30 lbs heavier than Beterbiev even if I add Spinks average.

    Show me the boxer in history who gave up 20-30 lbs to most opponents and had great success.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 20, 2022
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  10. NoNeck

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    This may come as a surprise to you, but Beterbiev will likely put on a few pounds if he campaigns at heavyweight. He already did when he used to fight at heavyweight in the ams. You're arguing a moot point.
     
    NoNeck, Jun 20, 2022
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  11. Glass City Cobra

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    No I'm not arguing a moot point. I'm taking Beterbiev as is. I'm already being generous assuming he's 185-190 in the ring.

    We don't know how a 205-210 pound Beterbiev would look. That's pure speculation on your part and no different from Rocky fans speculating how he'd do over 200+. All we can do is look at modern day Beterbiev and put him up against 70's fighters. He'd be very small and would give up 20-30 lbs.

    Now I'll ask again, in which era did a boxer have success giving up 20-30 lbs to the average contender?
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 20, 2022
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  12. NoNeck

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    You don't have to dream anymore:
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    Answer: Modern era--Usyk, K bros era--Byrd
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

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    Byrd at HW against some of his best opponents

    VS Phil Jackson

    210 vs 216 lbs

    VS Bert Cooper

    215-227

    VS Vitali

    210-244

    VS Wlad

    213-238

    VS Tua

    215-233

    VS Hoylfield

    214-220

    VS Oquendo

    211-224

    Average opponent weight 229.

    Average Byrd weigh 212

    On average Byrd was giving up 17 lbs to his best HW opponents. That's nowhere near giving up 30 lbs to your best opponents.

    Usyk has had a mere 3 fights at HW. he doesn't count until he has more fights.

    Try again.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 20, 2022
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  14. NoNeck

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    I think you might be a little slow. I just showed you a video of Beterbiev fighting somewhere north of 2000 pounds and dropping a 24 year old Usyk.

    I'd think this is more relevant than the arbitrary defensive criteria that you're talking to yourself with.

    It's also relevant that Shavers failed uniformly, often by stoppage, against anyone who possessed qualities like Beterbiev.

    This thread is done. Take your L.
     
    NoNeck, Jun 20, 2022
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  15. Glass City Cobra

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    Beterbiev weighed over 2000 lbs?

    You might want to proofread your posts before calling someone slow.
     
    Glass City Cobra, Jun 20, 2022
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