Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

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Who was the better all-around fighter, Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

  1. Primo Carnera

  2. Riddick Bowe

  3. They were equally good all-around fighters

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    But Chuvalo also fought mostly CW punchers. Who did George face that was the size of 1990s HWs?
    I can also name Holyfield, but I know you'd find excuse here as well. Or Michael Moorer for that matter.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Smith
    Young
    Page

    Who are Stribling's equivalents? ps Don't say the fixed fight with Carnera.
    Nothing wrong with me how about yourself?
     
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  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    Young who lost his last two fights and was shot?

    Smith and Page were decent fighters, but they weren't world beaters. Especially Smith who I like as a fighter, but was nothing special.

    If that's the standard, then Stribling beat Renault, Loughran, Rosenbloom, Delaney, Risko, Scott, Gorman and a few others.
     
  4. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You've gone off track here and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, anymore.

    You brought up Chuvalo, as a way of comparing his durability with that of Uzcudun. I pointed out Chuvalo was a significantly bigger man than Uzcudun. That hasn't changed in between our most recent exchange of posts.


    I've not made any excuses. I've merely pointed out the flaws in your argument.

    Here are some reasons why your comparison with Holyfield and Moorer is moot.

    Asides from both Holyfield and Moorer being bigger than Sharkey, Holyfield, in particular, was exactly the type of smaller Heavyweight, who was able to compete against world class Super Heavyweights. A completely different animal to Sharkey, whom I think Holyfield would beat, quite handily.

    Moorer is a case in point, in that he was found wanting, at times, against even the moderately skillful big men, but had the psychological assuredness to overcome some sticky moments (Stewart, Martin, Cooper). Floored by Holyfield on the way to his moment in the sun (W MD12), Moorer would ultimately come unstuck against the very aged, albeit genuine Heavyweight of the times, in Foreman.

    That said, I'd favor Moorer over Sharkey, too.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Stribling beat a Renault who was in steep decline
    Delaney,Rosenbloom,Loughran, were light heavies ,Scott was ****.
    Smith and Page held versions of world titles ,Smith giving Holmes a decent fight Stribling wouldn't make a good sparring partner for Larry.
     
  6. WAR01

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    More KO' s then Rocky has wins.
     
  7. 70sFan865

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    So being bigger makes you more durable? That's news to me. Besides, Chuvalo isn't significantly bigger. He's around 15 lbs heavier, but that's not huge difference.
    How? They are a bit taller, Sharkey had bigger frame. There is no difference in size betweent them.
    Surely they are different fighters (and Holyfield was better) but it doesn't change my argument.
    I'm certain that Sharkey would outbox old Foreman.
     
  8. WAR01

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    As a boxer myself, and you being one from memory you should appreciate the funny side in this and indulge instead of being so grumpy Bob.
     
  9. 70sFan865

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    So was Young, are you allowed to use declined fighters but I am not?
    LHWs who fought at HW and beat HWs.
    Stribling didn't have a choice to get trash belt title like 1980s fighters could. What is your point?
    Stribling gave Schmeling and Sharkey decent fights as well. Don't be ridiculous, Stribling was a fine contender who would likely make a distance against Holmes.
     
  10. Man_Machine

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    Not necessarily, but there's a point where size differences quite obviously matter to the outcome of a boxing match. Wouldn't you agree?

    The point is that the comparison was a weak one.


    Chuvalo was just bigger all round. A stone in weight is significant.
    The comparison is moot.

    To draw a line under this point, I'll answer your original question, re Bowe/Chuvalo... ...Yes, I think that Bowe was capable of stopping Chuvalo and therefore, regardless of size or anything else, I think Bowe could stop Uzcudun.


    Taller and heavier, generally, points towards bigger (although, not always, depending on where the extra weight is coming from).

    On what basis do you claim Sharkey had a bigger frame than either Holyfield or Moorer, when Sharkey, who was at least two inches shorter and without the need to make a specific limit (that is, no need to boil down), often weighed in at less than 190lbs??

    If you're going to start imagining that these differences either don't exist or don't matter then where does it end? As far as it takes to help you prop up one of your favorite Older Timers, perhaps?


    Holyfield and Moorer were markedly superior Heavyweights, head-to-head, than Sharkey, because they were better equipped, both physically and mentally, to compete in the modern-day Heavyweight scene. Even then, they were stretched to the maximum, as their respective performances and results show.

    You neither want to accept where Sharkey falls short in these areas nor take Sharkey's quite different experiences as a Heavyweight into consideration. Hence, you will maintain the belief that your argument is sound.


    How does he do that, without being spending [too] much time inside Foreman's kill zone?

    I'm glad you're not my tipster.
     
  11. robert ungurean

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    It's a hundred and ten + pages. Its only funny for so long. What's really funny is the guys who actually try an make a legit case for Carnera. There dead serious at that.
     
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  12. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Fought young in-shape 227 Witherspoon to an arguable draw, beat Smith + Page and hang in for another close 10 rounds with Bowe himself.

    You´d throw the fellow who´d be a small CW for the 190lb limit in with the guys Tubbs fought and tell who he´d beat? Who are you going to fool? Ahh, I remember something, the Sharkey - Byrd equivalent: Jack Sharkey would go dozens of rounds with both Klitschkos, 12 with Tua and 11 with a primed Povetkin at the end of his career too :drooling:.....
     
  13. mcvey

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    Yes and lots of them over his chauffeur. People need to did a bit deeper than Box Rec.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Stribling never looked like beating Schmeling ,and he won just 3rds against Sharkey.
    Stribling has one of the most phoney built up records of any fighter and you're starting to get saucy now.
     
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  15. 70sFan865

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    Holyfield was leaner and he didn't weight more until he started experimenting with weight after Bowe loss.
    When did Sharkey fought below 190 lbs in his prime? That's a news to me.
    Sharkey fought comfortably above 200 lbs without trying to gain weight. Holyfield was leaner and lighter than him before stepping up to HW.
    Sharkey is not one of my favorites, I just don't like when people try to downgrade him. He was excellent, although very inconsistent fighter.
    Based on what though? Sharkey was certainly better defensively than them for example. He was very good at pressuring bigger fighters which would help him. He was suited to fight bigger fighters, because he struggled against quicker opponents. Sharkey also didn't lack anything physically or athletically. He was excellent athlete, very quick and quite strong for his size. The only thing he lacks is their punching power, but it's not the end of debate.

    You just say that Moorer is more suited to fight at HW without any explaination.
    With boxing from outside and occasionally using educated pressure. I mean, Morrison wasn't longer and he did that. Holyfield wasn't much longer and he didn't have any problems with that. The difference is that Sharkey would not brawl with Foreman like stupidly Moorer did.