Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

Care to speculate as to why Fleischer refused to give an award for the Fighter Of The Year in 1933 ,the year Carnera won the richest prize in sports,the heavyweight title. How about your thoughts as to why Fleischer never included Carnera' s name in his list of Hundred Best Punchers,despite Primo having a near 70% ko record?

 

Probably because Carnera was not fighter of the year in 1933 and probably because Carnera was not worthy of being in the top one hundred punchers lists.

Sonny Liston was never ring magazine fighter of the year either! Care to speculate why that was? Why no award for Sonny?

Primo does not have to be one of the best punchers or fighter of the year in order to be a legit champion.

I've seen people make more of a claim for greatness for guys who never became champion like Big Cat Williams than Primo. It's ridiculous.

Primo was for real.

Primo was as legit as any SHW there ever was.

 

Yes I'll speculate ,and I'll do better than that, Fleischer refused to give the award to Liston because of his unsavoury connections and he made that publicly known! Cleve Williams stops Carnera just as journeyman Leroy Haynes did twice! BTW Uzcudun ,one of Carnera's 2 defences, had not been ranked for 5 years! Fleischer refused to give any award in1933.

 

Primo Carnera does not belong in discussions featuring any decent modern champions. He's better suited for fantasy fights with James Beattie, Mike White, Timo Hoffman and Tye Fields.

 

Lmao. See?
We have footage of this. And the write up is completely BS.
Godfrey hits him low. He doesn't complain to Carnera or the referee.

Also, why did all these other guys fall 4 or 6 times if they were diving?
Did the commissions find any wrongdoing?

 

Feather fisted is an absolute.
Either you're feather fisted or you're not.
This is an example where very short gifs are totally fine.

You can find Carnera looking oafish and landing shots that seem like they should hurt more.
I can do the same with Klitschko or Fury.

 

Bert Sugar:

"I found a new way to spell Klitschko. T E R R I B L E.
Primo Carnera who is dead could've beaten him.

In 67 years, this was the worst championship fight I have ever seen.
Wladmir stunk out the joint."

Reporter: Uh..Do you think he is the best around right now?

Bert:
"He is terrible.
If he is the best heavyweight, that might reinforce the fact that the heavyweight division stinks."

 

Last bit^ is mental. 1) Valuev 2) carnera as the worst super heavys of all time. The 5 that picked him in the vote have to be old timers that cant see the wood for the trees and are just biased for the old fighters

 

Dana White:


"The Klitschko ****ing fight was the most disgusting, embarrassing thing. The fact that he got paid $17 million for that fight. The first ****ing punch he threw, they stand in the center of the ring, the bell rings, he throws a punch and holds him. He did it the whole fight; he should have been disqualified for that. Then, in the twelfth round, he didn't throw any punches. That's all he did the whole round (hold). That's the heavyweight champion of the ****ing world. Normally, in boxing, the heavyweights, like when Tyson was in there, heavyweight matches were exciting. Who the...I don't know who wants to watch that ****. I watched it and it's literally embarrassing. It's ****ing embarrassing. Those guys are an embarrassment to the sport of boxing. Vitali's the exciting one, right? I don't even, I've watched few of their fights and I get sick when I watch their fights."

"When that's your heavyweight champion, the heavyweight division is lost. I saw the Klitschko brothers in L.A one time. They are ****ing monsters. They are huge. But, how are you going to fight a guy that doesn't want to fight? That guy doesn't want to fight, he wants to grab you from your head and lay on you. It's embarrassing, it's ****ing disgusting. I can't believe they found someone to pay this guy $17 million dollars, it's embarrassing."

 

Robert Portis of The Fight City:

"Povetkin visited the canvas four times and failed to convincingly win a single round but the bout was not defined by the champion’s superior skill or power so much as by his constant holding. Klitschko stifled the challenger’s offense by continually clinching and leaning all over him to drain his energy. The champion, who enjoyed five and six inch advantages in height and reach and a 16 lb. weight advantage, worked to keep the challenger either at the end of his long arms or tangled up in them. While physically dominating Povetkin, at the same time the champion appeared deathly afraid of actually exchanging punches with him. He turned what might have been a competitive boxing match into a farce of wrestling and holding, his tactics hardly discouraged by the largely complacent referee.

One is reminded of Muhammad Ali’s second battle with Joe Frazier after which Ali, the winner by unanimous decision, took much criticism for his frequent clinching, but that was nothing. Klitschko far outdid Ali or anyone else in recent memory and besides, Ali didn’t just clinch; he also threw plenty of combinations and willingly exchanged blows with Frazier. Here it was mostly one punch at a time followed by an immediate hug. Wladimir, incredibly, even outdid that plodding master of the boring heavyweight fight, John Ruiz. Hell, one wonders if he had taken lessons from “The Quiet Man” in mauling and holding during training. If so, he was evidently a model student. Let’s be clear: this was a shameful performance.

But putting aside the Povetkin debacle, the real issue here is Klitschko’s continued dominance and the fact that, increasingly, some appear to be equating that dominance with a legacy of real value. This is delusional bunk and for one simple reason: the heavyweight division is a talentless wasteland. Wladimir has no serious opposition."

 

Godfrey is believed to have refused to be stopped ,but agreed to being dq'd.Who knows.Yes various commissions found evidence of fighters not giving of their best and some were suspended ,had their purses withheld or both. I'm not suggesting Carnera was a party to the chicanery,that has never been proven.

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2006/09/19/1862890.html


The release of The Harder They Fall acquainted Carnera with the demoralising possibility that many of the victories that led up to the challenge for Sharkey's world title were rather more the results of astute matchmaking. "Daddy told us that he never knew that," writes Carnera's daughter, Giovanna Maria. "He told us that he never knew and that the decision only depended on the boxing ability of the opponents. He was too naïve. We are sorry to say so, but it is like that. His relation to arranged bouts [a book, Le Mystère Carnera by Carnera's first manager, Leon See, lists numerous fixed fights between 1928 and 1931] is to be found in his naïvety, which came from the goodness of his heart. We do not want to sanctify him, however the importance of what he did and and his honesty helped him to survive everything and everybody. Moreover, he was sure of one thing: "The world title match was not fixed." According to him: "It was too important and could not be fixed."

 

Withholding purses was more common back then.
You think they would've given out the purses to Klitschko and Fury for their fight?