Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

It is quite possible. Oscars all round.

The key point being, of course, that this one moment, even if legit, neither undoes all the other questionable aspects of Carnera nor magically makes his comparison with Bowe a realistic one.

 

Definitely, and some people still believe that account of Nats. No fault to him. He was probably a victim to the same subconscious bias' that affected me, Bert Sugar, and countless others when Klitschko was on the rise. And he took liberties drawing conclusions that were convenient for the Boxiana lore at the time, but came from a place of uncertainty.

It's not the most conventional KO, but it happens, and there are many examples of this kind of punch.
It's also another testament to the shoddiness of older footage.

 

You don't see the extreme bias here though?
You are at least admitting to being open minded that this was a KO.
Which is a big difference than flat out denying it.

And that should give you some pause.
Because for one, this was probably Carneras best moment in his career. And to have first not believed in its authenticity to even being open minded to it, is a pretty big difference.
Two, it should also lead you to reflect on what else has been said about Primo that may be wrong. And the best place to start are testimonies that don't line up with the abilities needed to become a HW World Champion winner and two time defender.

The nonchalant brushing it off is a big red flag.
A truly objective truth seeker would want to investigate further, not close the book.

 

I have Nat Fleischer's," The Heavyweight Championship", this is his account of the ko.

"A right hand blow to the chin turned the trick.The punch dropped Sharkey in his tracks and provided the huge gathering with the thrill they paid to see but few had expected because Sharkey's conqueror was regarded as an ordinary fighter a clown who had no business in the same ring with Jack.
Under the impact of the blow,Sharkey was stretched motionless on his face.Not a quiver of the body could be noted as the count was completed and a new world heavyweight king was crowned .
The crowd was utterly bewildered,for there had been no indication previous to the delivery of the finishing blow that Carnera would win by a knockout.
Until that moment the Italian had shown little except grim determination and Sharkey had won three of the preceding four sessions by a big margin.
There was a cry from the Sharkey handlers that Carnera had some object concealed in his gloves,but the charge was ignored.
Many in the gathering insisted that an "invisible punch had scored the knockout".

 

There is no doubt Sharkey was knocked out by Carnera. To say that it was not a legitimate knockout would put the legitimacy of every knockout into question.

It's a genuine one punch knockout. Sharkey fell the same kind of way against Louis.

 

Louis beat the sh*t out of Sharkey before administering the coup -de grace.Sharkey was in front against
Carnera I think there is a reasonable doubt that the ko was legit and ,whether it was or wasn't has no relevance to the authenticity of any other knockout.That is as fatuous as a previous statement of yours that if one denigrates Carnera then one must feel the same about all the other super heavies, which is sheer nonsense.
The Sharkey ko by Louis.

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Should have gone to Spec Savers!

 

When?

 

No he's right. If there's reasonable doubt about this KO, then that opens the floodgates.

Sharkey may have been holding his own, but Carnera hurt him the same round of the KO blow prior to the uppercut.

 

Any doubt about the legitimacy of Carnera knocking out Sharkey is unreasonable. There is no reasonable doubt. It's simply unreasonable. The slow motion replay shows a legit KO. It is no more unreasonable than any knockout. The connection is clear. The impact devastating. I have seen Sharkey knocked down by Dempsey and Louis. Most times he drops down to his knees first with his back bolt straight before landing. It's consistent with the types of ways he went down before. This time once jack touches down onto his knees he even jackknifes over face first. It's far too emphatic to question. To doubt it you have to really badly want to doubt it. and to doubt it you would have to doubt or be suspicious of all knockouts.

Apart from anything else sharkey is looking to take Primos head off that same round! He lands some bombs that round. This is clearly a fight with two guys wanting to win. It's a good fight. Lots of action and skill on display by both guys. Primo is more aggressive and improved on their first fight. Primo bully's Jack and often bundles him into the ropes looking to catch him on the rebound. Carnera is especially dangerous with uppercuts all night.

 

Sam Langford kod Joe Jeanette once, in a fight he was trying to make go the distance,throwing big punches that he made sure did not find the target.
He threw a big shot and Jeannette unintentionally ducked into it and was ko'd.
Throwing big bombs can mean making it look good.
A mate of mine used to fight the fairgrounds ,the booth fights,gee fights, he and his regular "partner" often got prolonged applause and nobbins after fights in which they had made no real attempt to hurt each other.
I'm not suspicious of all ko's at all your logic is simply absurd I doubt the legitimacy of the ko and so did many others.
The idea that Sharkey would fall in a unique way all his own when knocked down is ludicrous .
You make no sense, but then you haven't for this entire thread imo.

 

some might say implying that the gee fight practice (of both men willingly staging rehearsed sequences) in a world heavyweight title fight without nobody noticing would be even more ludicrous.

Sharkey was clocking Carnera. Look, the two of us have seen enough fights. We both know what it looks like when a guy is punching for real. It's true, you can make it look good, but it would not pass my or your scrutiny. A pulled punch or a weighted punch deliberately thrown off distance are easy to spot. Sharkey was not doing this. Neither was Carnera. Do you think Carnera was in on it, that he accidentally knocked Sharkey out? The more I think of it maybe that does appeal to you. Carnera being such a useless, blunder prone, powderpuff puncher the irony being the one time he knocks someone out - it was an accident!

But why complicate things by looking for a conspiracy that is not there? To be that sceptical and suspicious? I truly believe that to apply that level of unhealthy scepticism it must be impossible for you to see any real truth.

 

Evander Holyfield has just named Riddick Bowe as the best all round fighter he faced!
I think you have a very fleeting acquaintance with the truth.

 

Bowe had some very good attributes and Holyfield certainly knows what he is talking about. This thread is not about who would win. Or who was better but which of these guys emphasised the most skill in a boxing sense. I have to remind you (third time now) that I voted that they were equally good all rounders. Holyfield endorsing Bowe from a personal view is an interesting tidbit. It's not something that blows anything open.

 

Zero.

 

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