Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

interestingly it’s the last 30 years that Sports have become awash with PEDs.

Do you think PEDs might have finally enabled the biggest men (who had always been around) to finally perform well enough in boxing?

Or do you simply think a reliance on size over technique has become a trend?

Larry Holmes fought Superheavyweights like Roy Tiger Williams and Leroy Jones, both of whom could win a belt today if Manuel Char and Charles Martin have been able to.

 

Ah Primo Carnera! What a blend of speed, angles, footwork and power. The way he would sit down on his punches and torque away with deadly combinations was breathtaking. It's a lost art in this era of lumbering oafs.

I'm sitting in the corner of a run down Bronx smokey tavern, puffing on a Cuban cigar halfway through my Jackie Blackburn biography. I'm also working on changing my avatar to Bob Fitsimmons doing a traditional boxing stance. Do I make the club?

 

If Carnera can beat these guys he could be a belt holder in this era of Superheavyweights

6'5" Gerald Washington 239

6'3" Chris Arreola 246

6'3" Arthur Szpilka 233

6'5" Lucas Browne 250

6'2" Andy Ruiz jr 255

6'5" Charles Martin 245

6'4" Eric Molina 237

6'7" Dominic Breazeale 255

 

Do you think these are funny anymore?
For how long have you decided to troll about the "Men have always been the same size" debate in the future?

Scientifically proven: Nowadays, men 6'4" or taller, are more often by a factor of 20+

Your proof that everyone is on PEDs from the 80s onwards: Still none. Nilch. Nada.

 

Frankly, Bowe only having 88.9% of the vote is comical, that number should be 100% if people were being honest.

 

Thanks for confirming my thoughts

 

Could be, but I thought it was more them playing Devil's advocate or being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse. Maybe you're right though....

 

Yeah, I’m going to have to fundamentally disagree with you there. I think the difference between Primo and subsequent models of the super heavyweight is that are often on different ends of the spectrum in terms of physical skill Primo Carnera was obviously an amazing physical specimen. Based on size alone he had the advantage over some fighters. However, he did not possess speed or technical skill displayed by many of the giants of today. There is scant doubt that in addition to his record been filled with pushovers He was the beneficiary of fixed fights.

He was taken by advantage by so many. Primo’s is a heartbreaking story. He seemed like he was an innocent pawn and was thrown away when no longer useful. It is interesting that I have never heard anything negative about the man himself. Unfortunately he seems to have been cast in one of those nice guys finish last cautionary tales.

 

Primo was a better all-around fighter.

If you include grappling.

 

I have never been sold on the idea that Carnera was this pitiful man, who ended up as one of life's losers, despite holding the heavyweight title.

He was a very intelligent man, who made the most of the few opportunities that he was presented with.

His management were the scum of the earth, but he probably couldn't have established himself on the American scene, without them.

While his boxing career didn't leave him rich, he was very successful at exploiting his brand, after he retired from boxing.

He became a wrestler, then an actor (as you have seen), owned business, and became a major patron of charities.

 

I would like to think that. I have only heard nice things about him personally. I was under the impression that he was bilked out of winnings in large part and that hebasically lost everything by the end of World War II forcing his return to boxing despite having had a kidney removed. I’m not sure why box rec list his wrestling career as “semi successful”.

It also appears that it unsuccessfully attempted to sue the producers of, The Harder They Fall based on his assertion that the movie was based on him. If true it does not indicate the happiest of stories. It also appears that he died at age 60 from a combination of the effects of diabetes and cirrhosis from alcoholism which I wouldn’t equate with a happy life.

I am a little surprised about the lack of information available that I am confident of its accuracy.There does not appear to be a standout biography which is unfortunate because his story sounds fascinating.

 

Arcel painted him as used and abused and woefully ripped off and hung out to dry. He did a bit better when he got away from boxing but he'd missed out on a lot. He was an absolutely massive draw for a good while and got pretty much nothing for it. He'd be a pretty good source, Arcel.

 

When the true history of super heavyweight boxing is written, Primo Carnera will be counted among the greats!

Riddick Bowe could not shine Carnera's shoes! As I stated before, it should be a federal crime punishable by death via stoning for even implying that Bowe was better than Carnera

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I agree it is hard to beat Arcel as a source and seem logical. Carnera had apparently declared bankruptcy prior to the 2nd Sharkey fight? I had not heard tales of him living lavishly yet he had to file BK while a top contender?

Is also my understanding that he was forced to participate in propaganda by the Mussolini regime durin World War II after returning to Italy penniless . It seems that he got a raw deal at least at certain points.

There is this seems to be so much there, starting out in a small village in Italy, carnival sideshow , mafia pawn, heavyweight champion, political pawn, wrestler, b movie actor , who knows what else? it seems like a story I would like to hear especially if it’s told by someone without an agenda. Yet there does not seem to be a definitive source.