Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

Well you are simply wrong then.

The sequence of events shown on film would have been almost impossible to stage.

It simply wouldn't have happened that way!

 

That is your opinion, which you are entitled to ,but that does not make it fact.

 

Yeah the other guy who thought that was called Mcvey....

 

Sharkey lost that fight because he was unmotivated and in bad shape. Carnera took advantage of that and did so brilliantly. I don't see anything that could show us it was a fixed fight. Primo outboxed Sharkey way before the uppercut (who looks legit to me).

 

Carnera pushes Sharkey back. Sharkey bounces off the ropes straight into a sickening uppercut, and falls to the canvas like a sack of snot. How is Sharkey going to stage that sequence of events? When fighters take a dive, they keep the script simple!

 

Yeah, Primo knocked out Sharkey as cleanly as Joe Louis did.

Primo was legit and anybody who dosnt accept that simply has not researched the era closely enough. He has more than enough elite wins at the top level. We can go round and round in circles here but the bottom line is Primo legitimately won a title in an era where a prime Joe Louis was knocked out.

On merit, primo was an average champion comparable to most short span champions like Sharkey, Jimmy Ellis, Leon Spinks, Tommy Burns, Ernie Terrell, John Tate, Buster Douglas, Jimmy Braddock, Ingemar Johansson even if he had two successful title defences. Each of these guys were champion at a time where argument could have been made that they were not necessarily the best in the world whilst champion.


On merit Carnera probably was not any worse than them.


If there was a worse type champion then it would be the kind of champion who did not deserve the decision that gained him the title in the first place or a champion awarded a title without winning it in the ring. I don’t think Primo was one of those since he knocked out Sharkey to gain the title.

Please read reports on Primos fight against Neusel. A fight he won impressively against a legitimate contender after folklore says he had already supposedly been exposed by Max Baer. If Primo was so far away from Max Baer how come he fared no worse against Louis than Max did? Or how come a fighter like Max Schmeling always rated Carnera?

 

Comparisons with common opposition show us something interesting.

Carnera did a bit better than Baer, and no worse than Schmeling, excluding the Louis fight.

He was clearly not as good as Schmeling, Baer, or Louis, but he was probably a bit better than everybody else around at the time.

 

Gene Tunney thought it was fake,.and so did a lot of the ringside press, but they were only sitting ringside ,what would they know?
If you have any smart comments why not incorporate them into a post about boxing? That would be a first!

 

A lot less than somebody who had re watched the knockout dozens of times in slow motion!

 

Silly thread? Last time I checked, you were one of these virals making a silly vote among 11 voters so far.

Sitting in the same boat as this fellow, never getting tired of adding new wisdoms to the already full of gems quotes-(s)hitlist.

What was that called again? Stubborn? Stoic deluded? Ah right, now I remember: Religious. Historianity.

 

Sharkey misses amateurish swings that look telegraphed and continually ducks throughout the fight inviting an uppercut.
Sharkey broke training camp jumped in his car and rushed home to check on the welfare of his children.I believe he was induced to take a dive by threats,his own manager ,Johnny Buckley accused him of diving!

 

Didn't they have the same opportunities and on much clearer film footage?

 

I'd back my knowledge and research of the era against yours any day, and twice on Sundays.

 

Neusel quit.Douglas would beat the **** out of Carnera . Ingo would take his head off and he himself was a poor champion. Ellis with his sneak right would drop him like a sack of potatoes.
Carnera was a manufactured, mechanical fighter who couldn't punch ,or take a punch.Without the build up of fixed fights he would never have been heard of, just another Jose Santa or Ray Impelletierre.

 

No is the short answer.

When Schmeling wanted to view footage of Louis, he had to obtain the reels himself, and set up a projector.

It is much easier to get the footage today.