Better All Around Fighter: Riddick Bowe or Vitali Klitschko?

Excellent point.Mendoza once tried to suggest that Lewis was the more marked up of the two after the fight.I posted photos of them both in the ring post fight,and of Vitali 's eye after wards,[over 60 stitches,] he quietly dropped that line without further comment on it.

 

Lewis had a rare black eye and a cut on his nose. While Vitali had the worse cut, if you are talking who was more swollen judge by the photos.

Vitali never had a cut before in pro or amateur boxing, and never had a problem with cuts after Lewis. There is clear film that shows Lewis landed an illegal backhand with the laces part of the glove. Fightnews reported lose tape caused the cut. Argue with them, or remain silent as the video has bene posted here before to view

But as we know there is a reason why there was no re-match.

 

How could you possibly land an illegal back hand with laces of the glove? Are you seriously saying loose tape caused this?
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/File:Klitschko_After_Lewis.jpg

• A right hand from Lewis opened a grotesque cut over Klitschko's left eye in the third round.

• Dr. Paul Wallace, the ringside physician, told the referee to stop the fight after the sixth round due to the cut over Klitschko's left eye.

• Klitschko required 60 stitches to repair four cuts on his face and one cut in his mouth Box Rec

"Although Klitschko showed more determination than Lewis, in the third round Lewis hit him with a big, lunging right hand that opened a nasty gash over Klitschko's left eye. Later, Lewis opened another cut under that same eye." NY Times No mention of a back hand or loose tape." The cut came from a right hand and was worsened by another and several hard jabs"

The film shows no backhand and no loose tape.

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Bowe by a mile.

Bowe could fight on the ouside and on the Inside. Vitali can only fight on the ouside.How can you be a complete fighter if you can only fight on the outside?

Bowe is also more polished technical Wise. Vitali's technique is awkard to say the least.

 

This is your problem, you think you own all the evidence, and you don't. Your MO is to clearly omit what you can. Maybe you just aren't as well researched as some of the others here or don't have as good of memory. I'd say its a bit of both.

Yes, there was an illegal backhand swipe just before the cut, in the area where the cut appeared. Fight news says the cut was caused by loose tape. Argue with them.

I have posted this before... watch it. And please do not forget there was such as backhand!

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Bowe was badly out classed by Andrew Golota...who never won a big fight, and some felt drew with Tony Tubbs.

Vitali never lost more than 3 rounds vs any man on ANY score card.

But Bowe is the better boxer by a mile?

I think fans here are confusing punching technique, and leaving out the ability to land at angles, moving around the ring, having a smart ring IQ, defense ( Bowe didn't have a good one ) and many other things that Vitali was better at.

 

I meant Bowe is the better all-around fighter by a mile.

My point is you can't be a complete fighter when you do not kow how to fight on the inside.The thread is about being an All-Around fighter, well Vitali simply is not.

What was Vitali's best victory ?He never even beat anybody as good as a focused and inshape Tubbs.His best victory is a loss against a fat past prime LL, which gets totally blowm out of proportion.

The Golota fight? does it matter to you that Bowe was shot to pieces.Well then I can refer to the Byrd fight, where Vitali was injured, that is equally unfair.At least Bowe did not quit

 

Golota was a better all around boxer than Vitali and he got beaten by past prime Bowe twice so thats a moot point.

Gonzales is more comparable to Vitali. Both of them were stood stiff and upright with little to no defensive manoeuvres.
Vitali really had zero defence unlike Golota who looked very good in the way he could slip , parry and bob n weave his way forward into the wheelhouse where his inside skills were equally as impressive.
Thats how he was able to be competitive with Bowe.

Vitali keeps on the outside and would never look to engage Bowe up close , therefor he would be clubbed around the ring and beaten up in close like Bowe did to his Cuban counterpart.

You're wasting your time repeating this 'rounds lost' argument . Nobody buys into that Hogwarts. Everybody knows Vitali only beat bums.
You could make a case for Wilder beating Bowe with the stats you make up.

 

You believe that caused 64 stitches in his face!
1There is no sign of blood after that.
2.There was no loose tape.
I don't have to argue with them, or you, I can watch the fight,and I did again this afternoon! A right hand clearly caused the cut and another and a series of jabs made it worse and caused another cut under the eye.Two big right uppercuts ripped his lips open and made him spit blood. You're warped!

 

Vitali never leant to keep his hands up.He got away with it because he was taller than his opponents.Against Lewis that was not the case, that is why Lewis was able to land that right hand consistently and destroyed Vitali's face.Absolutely no controversy, a fair stoppage due to a lack of defensive ability from Vitali.

 

It's pretty simple really isn't it. Vitali was an absolute mess, thank god they stopped the fight. Easy to be game once the fight is stopped and you are safe.

 

Did that punch cut Vitali or was it the short right that followed?

https://streamable.com/768ni

 

My point would be that no fighter was ever able to consistently "get inside" against Vitali. Part of Vitali's skillset is his footwork that allowed him to dictate the range that the fight would happen at and to maximise the effectiveness of his unusual stance and straight punches. Bowe would have been puttering around after him all night while Klitschko battered him to pieces at range. The same as everybody else that Vits had fought.

 

There was never any indication that Vitali wanted to stop. When they informed him the doctor wanted to stop the fight he was extremely vociferous, right away. (TBF if I were the doc I would have probably stopped it too.)

 

Probably stopped it? His face had been torn apart by Lewis' thudding fists. Could have even been stopped sooner.