Better atg Roy jones or bhop????????????????

I wouldn't call Winky, Joppy, Eastman or DLH "great" wins, but OK. In hindsight, the destruction of Johnson is very impressive. And full credit for Trinidad, who we didn't know at that time was so one-dimensional.

Still, though, Jones has Hopkins himself, plus PfP Toney, plus going up to HW against Ruiz after starting his career at 154, wins over prime Tarver, Griffin, Harding, Hill, Woods, et al.

 

Trinidad was not blown up by any means. Oscar was. I don't agree with the Toney being weight drained argument but lets for a second assume it's a valid one. At the time Jones signed the contract he didn'tknow Toney would be having weight problems. He was taking a huge risk.

Jones has beaten Hopkins, Toney, Ruiz, Trinidad, Tarver (people seem to forget he won the first fight), Hill, Griffin, McCallum and others.

Sure some of those guys were past their prime or some other excuse but if we are going to make excuses for Roy's wins we can just as easily make excuses for Bernard's victims too.

I give Bernard the edge for longevity but Roy is just as accomplished as him and more dominant in his prime and head to head prime for prime he would win. If Roy wins against Calzage he pulls comfortably ahead.

 

This is lame. DM never expressed any interest in fighting in the United State, and why would Jones -- universally considered PfP No. 1 -- travel overseas for a fight the casual fans and HBO didn't care about?

I remember hearing Calzaghe years ago talking up Jones and hating on DM. Really funny.

 

Michaelsheski didn't want any of RJJ, RJJ's comp is actually BETTER than Nards, IMO Bhops didn't start whippin elite ass until after Tito, RJJ been doing it since 93.

 

On the first part, that would only prove Roy has Hopkins' number, it doesn't automatically mean he's better than Hops. Hopkins has outclassed two guys who outclassed Roy, and IMO he's had the more remarkable achievements in his career (particularly this one).

As for the second part, I agree. But if Roy fails to beat Calzaghe, Hops deserves to go down as a better fighter for sure.

 

I like how every1 likes to use that weight drained bs with toney
why doesnt n e 1 use the delahoya was a blown up welter arguement, same for trinidad, and winky.
hmmmm

Bhop is a great fighter, HOFamer AT all that, but dont ba prisoner of the moment, RJ has a better resume period

 

I always considered RJ the greater fighter. But, after tonight, Hopkins has closed the gap.

 

As much as i love RJJ him getting knocked the hell out by 2 fighters that Bhops demolished does not help his case, even with the win for RJJ over B-Hop.

Prime for prime RJJ wins head to head but longevity is just as important for ATG rating, and Hops being a true student of the game reinvented himself and still being this good at 43 puts him ahead for me.

 

RJJ has the better resume, and has achieved more I can't put BHOPS ahead of him, beating Ruiz and Becoming HW champ cannot be ignored, he is the only man to ever win the MW, SMW, LHW, and HW title.

 

rjj is higher

 

MAB/Morales is mirroring Jones/Hopkins.

All 4 are hall of famers. MAB holds the edge over Morales head to head just like Jones does over Hopkins. However, Morales and Hopkins hold victories over the conquerors of MAB and Jones.

Take your pick on who you think is greater. It is a difficult choice.

 

I like this comparison from an emotional standpoint, but Morales defeated prime versions of Jones and Pacquaio, whereas Tarver and Johnson beat a shot Jones. Roy is younger than Bernard but became shot earlier.

 

Roy beat everyone who was at the top in each division. IMO I think Roy was very disciplined in moving up weight classes and retaining all of his attributes.

 

I know what you are saying. The only thing that I have a problem with in these arguments is the way that people talk down Jones's resume. HIs resume is every bit as good as hopkins maybe even a little better.