Better Boxer: Wladimir Klitschko or Kelly Pavlik?

Which guy has lost to every top name he faced every time he faced them also? I don't see your point here, bro. Miranda's a real fighter, no doubt. But he's not much of a boxer. A lot more fun to watch though, not that it pertains to any point I've made.

 

We're talking about technical skill, so to me, willingness to mix it up is a complete moot point, Hermit. I prefer to watch Pavlik fights, that doesn't mean I think he's better skilled. While Wlad was being goaded into attacking Chambers more during a complete shutout domination, Pavlik was being goaded into attacking Martinez more while going down on the cards. And why are you in fact bothering to talk about Edison Miranda's willingness to throw punches VS Wlad's willingness to throw more punches than necessary? None of this has anything at all to do with who is more technically skilled let alone between Pavlik and Wladimir.

And saying Martinez is much better than an overweight Chambers is again, a meaningless-if not arguable- point. Chambers was utterly dominated and stopped and Martinez cut Pavlik to **** and beat him. If your intent is to argue Pavlik is in the league of Wlad on a technical level, you're not picking relevant arguments for the most part, that I can see.

 

I don't see how I did that at all. But if you're out, it's of no consequence to me. You want me to also address your statement that Pavlik won decisions in the amateurs or turned the tide midway into the Martinez fight before losing it again? I don't see much to address there, really, bud. It's not really an argument against anything I said. It isn't as if I said Pavlik only won via knockout or had no amateur pedigree or was not a capable boxer. Only that he is not technically on the level of Wladimir in a pure boxing sense. It's really the only point, which I don't feel you've really been addressing yourself. Now you're accusing me of picking and choosing from the things you're saying? Huh.

 

Yeah, I was slow to pick up on the likelihood of trollness too. I hate it when it goes over my head but how are you supposed to know for sure with all the idiots that really are out there talking seriously?

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I'm up on it now. You have to really, really lay it on thick for me to assume you're a troll. I always take the least hopeful assumption that I'm talking to an idiot rather than a troublemaker.