Firstly when did AJ duck Fury? The same guy who avoided the undisputed fight for a year to fight a trilogy with Chisora and face Ngannou. You can argue Joshua ducked Wilder, but not Fury. Ortiz, Wilder’s signature win, was old and past his best. Joshua has wins over Povetkin and Wlad who had far more impressive careers and were of similar age. Whyte, Pulev, Ruiz, Parker, and Wallin are better than anyone Wilder has beat (bar Ortiz). Wilder’s resume is filled with journeymen and mediocre heavyweights. Plus when he fought Parker he lost every single round, a performance due to his inactivity, complete lack of fundamentals, struggles against fast punchers, and age. I do not buy the argument he is utterly cooked, I think Parker’s performance is underrated against him. So when you look closely, Joshua’s resume is well clear of Wilder’s.
They've both been beaten down and humbled before, Joshua has ranked higher, made more, been more celebrated and even after 3 losses considered # 3 in the division. This ain't close concerning who had a better career.
Wilders record is closer to Chisora standard than AJ. Wilder and Chisora best career wins are on par with each other in turns of ability in Ortiz and Takam. Both have Spzilka and Washington as two of their most notable wins. Whilst AJ has beaten the likes Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz, Pulev and Wallin.
Am I sure? Yes I am absolutely sure that Wilder in his best days would have absolutely brutalised the Wilder that lost to Parker.
People can say what they like about AJ but he's been in there with the best and beaten some excellent fighters. Who has Wilder beaten? ****ing nobody. Old man Ortiz? Give me a spell. Wilder is a can crusher and a fraud.
That doesn't answer my question... Are you sure Wilder could've proved much more than he actually did?
Yeah, I don't get it either. Some still go on like Wilder didnt duck Joshua and it was all somehow Joshua's fault. Joshua's side made so many offers to them. Every time Team Wilder had a criticism, and every time Team Joshua came back with an improved offer to address the issue. And every time there was a new issue for Team Wilder. In the end Team Wilder was basically saying it's 50-50 or nothing and that was BEFORE Wilder had ever done a PPV. It was ridiculous! The guy even admitted to ducking undisputed to chase the Fury rematch (which he was extremely confident of winning) for a year.
The greatest trick The Dosser ever pulled was convincing the boxing world he's not a can crushing hype job
Will get grilled to bits for this but anyway. I think in Wilder's best days he was definitely capable of beating Ruiz, Whyte, Povetkin. Even Parker. I'm NOT saying he would beat them but I think he had a good chance of beating those fighters. Bar Joshua, but I think the Ortiz that fought Wilder was also definitely capable of beating these guys I listed. Ortiz was super unlucky not to beat Ruiz at aged 43. Then again I'm NOT saying he would beat them. It wouldn't have surprised me if Wilder beat Joshua in a similar way as Ruiz beat him.
I agree with all but one thing - Fury's career is still very questionable. His performance against Usyk will be his career defining moment, not scraping past a Wlad who clearly had issues and then ducking the contractual rematch by retiring.