Better career: Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder

I don't know...

The cynics/cowards metric favours Wilder - by which I mean he took less risks (and even the best guys he fought weren't particularly heavy punchers) and yet still got the same level of fame and hype, and more money than he'll know what to do with.

In that sense, his career laughs at us all - it might not be entirely sporting or honourable, but he's done very well out of it.

 

Head to head, Wilder can knock anyone out but if he can't, there are a lot of Parkers out there that will take him to school.

 

That Wlad ko'd Wilder in sparring and caused Fury to throw away his prime ducking the contracted rematch.

 

Ortiz is Wilder's best win by a country mile whereas, Wlad, Parker Povetkin, Ruiz and Whyte are all better than Ortiz so he would be AJ's sixth best win. Case closed.

 

Honestly mate, I think you vastly, vastly overrate Ortiz here.

Not just because he was already getting old when he fought Wilder, but he hadn't proven himself to be all that special in his prime that would back up claims to his being a serious fighter at the point where many are in decline.

I wouldn't rank Ortiz prime-prime anywhere near Povetkin, nor Parker for that matter - nor do I see either version Wilder fought being near his own prime or near the versions of Parker and Povetkin that fought Joshua.

Ortiz got hyped because he pushed Wilder very close (and arguably got mistreated a bit) at the moment in time where it was still acceptable to rank Wilder as a serious contender... In hindsight, he probably wasn't ever more than a heavy puncher who'd have a punchers chance with everyone but wouldn't consistently have beaten any legit contenders.

You're completely right to say Joshua has superior volume of high level conquests, but I just don't think Ortiz was particularly special... I know you're a Wilder fan, and he could be entertaining, I just don't think inventing boogeymen to prop up the now dead myth is necessary or accurate.

 

You don't rate Ruiz anywhere near as high although he went on to beat Ortiz? And what's he done that makes him better than Whyte?

 

Ortiz gets a bit underrated here. Before the Jennings fight i thought he looked really good and I predicted he would win that. He also has wins over Martin and KO over Cojanu something Parker couldnt. He also KOed old Tony Thompson. And fought well against Andy Ruiz.

In my eyes Ortiz sits over Martin but under Ruiz for rankings. Not that bad at all.

 

Its weird because as of this moment I think it's Wilder but its unlikely to stay that way and AJ would probably win a fight between the 2.

Its worth noting in the Fury draw Wilder scored more points.

 

He is not. Breazeale is arguably his best win. He scored a 1st round KO on a fighter whose only loss at the time was to AJ. You could go either way but Ortiz is not the best win "by a country mile". Maybe a country meter. Those two might be ahead of the third win by a country mile though.

He also scored more points in Fury draw.

AJ is currently at the peak of his powers while Wilder is coming off a loss so AJs going to dominate this discussion.

 

AJ has the better career by far. In saying that though, I'd still slightly favour Wilder to KO him.

 

I don't rate the Jennings win as nearly enough to rate Ortiz - Jennings was an okay gatekeeper, but his career highlight was a wide loss to Wlad, not exactly a special highlight.

Likewise - if Wilder was properly proven then giving him hell would justify rating Ortiz... But rating Ortiz on the basis that he was very close to beating Wilder, whilst rating Wilder for having beaten Ortiz is circular logic - it doesn't hold.

I think at absolute best Ortiz was fringe top ten and possibly not even that... A good win, but not enough to justify much on its own.

Impressive in a sense, but the speed of those wins was more a question of styles than levels.

To be fair, no you didn't invent it... I just wonder if, maybe, you're clinging onto Ortiz when it maybe merits re-examination?

 

Breazeale's crap.